Now coroner-goofball will submit a narrative of the death scene, which will abridge any consideration that implicates cops.

During his 20 week coroner training, did goofball make friends with cops? Do those friendships compromise his ability to perform the service with impartiality?

Wanna be a coroner? Spend 5 months in a trade school and lunch with shoe repair specialists. Earn $71,000 per year, after your internship. You do the painting of cop colouring books. If anyone ever suspects you of integrity, you are fired.

Winnipeg cops wet their panties:

[url]http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/
story/4000666p-4615567c.html[/url]

[url]http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/
2007/06/30/4302157-sun.html[/url]

[url]http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/
breakingnews/story/3998468p-4613376c.html[/url]

It seems to me that this Ian Bush case, is the most controversial case we have had in this area since we experienced the Wayne Sullivan case. For any newcomers to the Prince George area who are not familiar with the Wayne Sullivan case, the following link will take you to an old CBC News article about it.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/1999/03/19/bc_killer990319.html

I think when we experience these kind of controversial incidents in this country there should be some kind of a mechanism in our system whereby there is some kind of public inquiry held where the following question should be asked. "Are we going in the right direction in this country, and could we be doing better."

Disappointing to think that it took 7 days of inquest to come up with this. The RCMP should not have to be told that recording equipment prevents any questions about what took place - welcome to 2007. Next, we all know from the Vancouver PD and the Stanley park incident that it doesn't matter if there is more than one officer present! I'm totally disgusted with recommendation #4 - Ian was a young man who was drinking a beer and gave a fake name - not bright but certainly not a crime that should have cost him his life! Kinda smells like they're blaming the victim doesn't it? Then you add a bigger insult by recommending that the RCMP need to "self assess" - do you think that you or I would be able to shoot someone and then be told to "self assess"? The solution is a public inquiry or a prosecution, period.

anniemartin;

I attended OPCC hearings on the Stanley Park kidnapping/battery. Although employment of 2 of the 6 cops was terminated after the convictions for Common Assault, the 6 enjoyed a year's paid vacation, at public expense. None spent even 1 second in jail. During the hearings, there was a constant line of cops who came by to support the 6 animals. Since last Fall, VPD once again controls the city lockup. I know of one female arrest victim who was kept with handcuffs behind her back for 4 hours because she refused to submit to an illegal strip search.

Once again, the spectre of cutbacks raises its ugly head. I know there are many who would say "throwing money at the system will not correct the matter", however when you consider that the ranks of the civil servants, cops, nurses, 911 call center, ambulance workers, etc. have been cut down primarily through the lack of funding, you can readily understand the stress these people work under and then you question their integrity and their motives when things go wrong.

Hopefully the right wing Conservative/Liberal decision makers will consider the effect of their desire to balance budgets on the lives of thousands and perhaps millions.

"...however when you consider that the ranks of the civil servants, cops, nurses, 911 call center, ambulance workers, etc. have been cut down primarily through the lack of funding..."

Spoken like a true government union employee. Not a care in the world, or stitch of self-reliance.

Self reliance???? .. good lord, these people are in the public service, that means they get paid by the public ....

as opposed to a pub owner ... they get paid by the public too to provide a service ....

is there anyone who does not in one form or another get paid by the "public"???

What the hell is self-reliance????? ... it is a society, Yama. It means we rely on each other ....

A hermit in living 300 km in from the nearest access to anyone is self-reliant .... everyone else eats out of the same trough .... better get used to it or relocate.

You have an interesting point of view Yama...

Does it extend to doctors, perhaps surgeons doing brain surgery and being paid by the BC Medical Services Plan with taxpayer's money under a voluntary union agreement with the BCMA? Imagine, brain surgeons without a stitch of self reliance!

Does it extend to firemen running into burning homes to save children and sleeping mothers? But hey, they don't use a stitch of self reliance do they, or do they?

How about the police? Do they have a stitch of self-reliance?

There are lots of groups paid with taxpayers money Yama, including some so-called "independent" contractors who have no compulsion stuffing their snouts into the public money trough every chance they get. A practice well followed by our Liberal MLAs with their 29% they rammed through the legislature over opposition objections (54% for el Gordo).

Sorry you feel the coroner a goofball there Truth, he didn't made the decision a jury did.
I only hope that ALL the family's involved or touched by this horrible incident can find peace in their lives.

And I am not siding with anyone...I feel sad for them all.

Gofaster:

Coroners are NOT medical professionals; they are barely medical amateurs. Most get into the service while studying law enforcement, after they discover that by taking only a few more training modules at BCIT, they can earn only slightly less than a first class detective. How many plumbers or electricians would work for $71,000 per year?

The coroner prohibited cop-rage testimony, that was to be presented by the security chief (unnamed) of the arena where the illegal drinking took place. According to her, she had to take the next day off after being abused by Koester's fascist supervisor, Darren Woroshelo. The Vancouver media omitted to publish that outrage.

Yes Truth it was said at inquest that Woroshelo went into arena and was yelling at her pretty aggressively.

I realize that any other jurisdictions require that a coroner be an MD.

The problem is, the coroner does not replace the pathologist or chief medical examiner's office. The coroner's work goes far beyond the work of a medical specialist. It is much more legal and process centred than medical centred.

Medical data is only one of the data sets a coroner has to deal with. I would think that a good coroner would be an individual who has a well rounded education both formal and experientially, including a good understanding of legal principles, especially as they apply to administrative hearings rather than actions through the courts.

There is a great deal of confusion about what a coroner is supposed to do and why they are not physicians. I looked into this many years ago as I was considering becoming a coroner (I didn't).

The original function of a "Crowner" was to make sure the Crown's (King's) interests were looked after (taxes, land confiscations etc). The Crown is now the government or state, and the coroner's main function is to ensure that the state's interests are looked after, i.e. why a death occurred.

The qualifications for a coroner are that you must be a reasonable adult with lots of common sense and a good degree of communication ability. A major part of the training is to determine the bare facts and present them without blaming anyone. That last point is stressed - do NOT assign blame.

Those jurisdictions using physicians have Medical Examiners instead of coroners. Most Canadian jurisdictions do not use MEs, they use coroners. Mostly, I presume, because the legal system derives from the UK.