Is there any end to the gaul of the R.C.M.P?
This time they delay the tribunal until it must be thrown out. Something must be done about this.

Your right REALIST,something MUST be done, but I guess we all know that there is very little that CAN be done except holler loud and long at our elected leaders!
This is exactly why the public's support for the RCMP is failing fast and they find themselves trying to scrape the doo doo off.
Just one thing after another but I guess that's what happens when you answer to no one and monitor yourself.
And that includes investigating your own dirt.
A very sad state of affairs!

I can't believe you two. The case was dismissed because the rcmp management in bc messed up. Don't blame the whole organisation for that. The rcmp didn't make up the rcmp code of conduct statues, parliament did. Members are protected by the law just like ordinary citizens are. Just because they are mounties doesn't mean they don't deserve the same constitutional safeguards. I'm sure Constable harris would have preferred to have his say in the hearing in order to refute the claims of the complainants.

This is just my spin on things but I believe the case against harris was born out of rumor and innuendo...and when certain low level scum druggie hookers realised they may profit monetarily from it, they went for the golden ring. I wouldn't blame him for suing the rcmp for wrecking his life and any other constable's life (wasnt there another one accused?) over this mess. A malicious prosecution I would call it.

And one witness has died....well well, pretty soon the public will point the accusatory finger at the rcmp saying it was them who pumped the drugs into her to cause her OD. (if that is how she died that is)

Imorg: your comments are completely without merit. I worked with some of these girls and those who worked with them. If you had heard their stories you would be able to form a better opinion on what happened but, instead of seeing human beings you see "low level scum druggie hookers". That statement pretty much sums up your level of education and understanding of these issues. I hope for your sake you never have a beloved relative turn into a "low level scum druggie hooker" you wouldn't have a clue how to relate to them, but one of the family features that help create individuals with problems are parents who are ignorant of reality. I think I see some of that feature here in posts far too often.

Realist....I work with these low life scum bags EVERY DAY(street People,Bottle Collectors, Hookers, Drug Dealers)...Imorg comments are right one These People could never tell the truth, If they really wanted a RCMP officer off their backs they would LIE LIE LIE, they LIE so much they think it is the Truth....REALIST YOU ARE WRONG,

Calm down. I'm not surprised they would lie to you, with an attitude like yours, your lucky that's all they do. I agree with the quote not to get into a battle of wits with someone unarmed. Good bye.

REALIST.....Sorry your UNARMED......Remember that was my Quote

In reality, these "kids" are far older than their years portray. ANd where did they learn their habits? From their parents first. Most of the street kids are products of defective parents who themselves are street people or hoods. The street and/ or stealing to make a living is all they know. Many are introduced to drugs by their own parents. RCMP programs like the DARE program have failed miserably because more and more kids are getting hooked on drugs. The police are trying hard, but its a loosing battle so far.
The hookers, thieves etc...lying is entrenched in the fabric of their social strata. I've dealt with these people maybe more than you have realist and the more you try to help them the more they lie in order to take advantage of your kindness.

And realist, if you have worked with these people over and over , have you helped them at all? Theyre still out there.

oh realist, tell me your level of education and I'll tell you mine. Both in the classroom and on the streets.

I am confused you say that you have dealt with these people and yet you seem to have given up on them. I agree with you on the root causation and creation of these kids. It reminds me of the old saying that monsters are always created and not born (please do not assume that I mean to compare these kids to monsters, only how they become what they are). Your attitude seem to be that these kids are beyond help. If this is so, why are/did you work with them? Your words sound like a long time employee of the Ministry of Families or Ministry of Employment and Income Assistance who has become so jaded in there outlook (due to years of working under government supplied propaganda and the usual low success rate)that they have become part of the problem instead of part of the solution: just getting their next paycheque. Unfortunately, this social strata as you call it is mearly a reflection of our society itself. The fact that we spend more money on corporate welfare than social problem, has ensured that our society will be exactly what it is with kids hooking and police taking advantage of them. Despite what you think, I believe these kids. their stories are all similar and the details too exact to simply put down as the deliberate rantings of a troubled youth trying to get even with the police.

Realist...Do the kids tell you they got into hooking..Because their Dads, dad friends, uncles, cousins, were all screwing them on the Res, so they came to town got hooked on drugs,and now sell their bodys, to pay for the drug habit. That's what I hear every day Corporate Canadians pay more Taxes then all the lowlifes in the world..SO..they should get more breaks...If the street people want a better life,,,GET A JOB..GET OF THE RES..Do not expect TAXPAYERS to support their way of life, Needle exchange, Food Banks, Free Housing, Free Medical.. Street kids learn their stories from other Street kids that is way they all sound alike..I bet Realist.. You would buy ocean front property in Arizona, if some one tried to sell it to you.

well now Don Mackenzie.......you seem to figure that the low lifes come from the res.......perhaps you should take a look at what we have created in a society on the Res. It is very much like what has been created in the refugee camps of Palestine only fortunately we have not yet bred that amount of violence. Our ancestors never negotiated settlements with the 1st nations and we have not done any better. True, some amazing people of grown up on the REs an have thrown off the shackles the grown from such a life......but many more could do far better if we were willing to give them a chance!!

NO NEVER SAID THAT...Lots of lowlifes are white. Most of the hookers a native,I was trying to explain to Realist why they hook and why their storys sound alike. Many native could and will do a lot better But they have to get off the res...Nothing there to help them, But lots there to hinder them on making it.

The day I take advice from someone like this will be the day turn in my status as a human being. I have nothing to say to this contributor anymore as they have been shuffled to the inconsequential file.

Realist: One trys to counsel them and they remain on the street. One trys to set them up in educational programs that are no cost to them and they drop out, finding it easier to steal on the street to live. Yes, drug addiction at whatever age is a hard monkey to get off their backs, but one trys to get them into various programs to deal with this. One even gives them 10 bucks so they can get a meal and get off the street for even one night. True, if one of them were successfull that I had ever dealt with then It would be worthwhile. I know there are success stories out there but in my experience BSW and then 20yrs Law Enforcement I have only seen them in a revolving door - on the street, gone for a bit, then back on the street doing what they do.

But in getting back to Harris, he has not been found guilty of any code of conduct offence, and the appeal by the Commanding officer to the commissioner of the rcmp was not successfull. Remember, the then CO of e division would have been the new commissioner - the one calling for harris's termination of employment in the first place. I don't know for sure if Comm. Busson made the decision or if it was delegated to another high level officer because of percieved bias, but it was made on solid legal grounds and that is it.
Harris should be put back to work since the contract of employment is still in place. No more semi retirement for him getting full pay though this has hardly been a vacation for him. If he can successfully return to work and be productive with this matter in the public eye remains to be seen and it will be an uphill battle for him...and the RCMP may even transfer him out of the province so he can have a successfull return to work.

"in my experience BSW and then 20yrs Law Enforcement"

and as a result of all that education, I classify people as:

"low level scum druggie hookers "


Fascinating....

I remember very well the "psychological phenomenons" among the law enforcement sub-culture.

Geez Reasonableman, you've re-arranged Immorgs words so well to fit your post. You could almost be a member of the media.

"I work with these low life scum bags EVERY DAY(street People,Bottle Collectors, Hookers, Drug Dealers)..."

I agree with the principle behind this comment...A mind really IS a terrible thing to waste.

well realist, you said youve work with them too....Ive attempted countless times to work with them.....but for naught...most times ended up having to work against them due to their actions. Also I never said that i classify people low level scum druggie hookers. The druggies who steal, lie or violent rob someone for a fi; the drug dealers and drug using hookers (who tend to fit within these catagories)ARE scum. They are people, but I would classify them just as carbon based life forms.

Oops, apologies realist. Corrections made on last post so reasonableman can get it:

you said youve worked with them too....Ive attempted countless times to work with them.....but for naught...most times ended up having to work against them due to their actions. Also I never said that i classify people in general as low level scum druggie hookers. The druggies who steal, lie or violent rob someone for a fix; the drug dealers and drug using hookers (who tend to fit within these catagories)ARE scum. They are people, but I would classify them just as carbon based life forms.

Whether or not Harris is guilty is not my point, and I should have clarified that.
My point is as always,the RCMP should NOT be investigating themselves damn it!!
Period!