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RCMP Will Investigate For Public Complaints: One Man's Opinion

By Ben Meisner

Saturday, July 14, 2007 03:46 AM

            

It is all well and good that the RCMP Public Complaints Commission is reviewing the Ian Bush death in Houston, the problem however still exists and that is that the RCMP will be the people who conduct that investigation and then turn it over to the Commission for  review.

We used to have a name for it is the news business, garbage in, garbage out, you hand over garbage and you get exactly what you want at the other end of the pipe.

The problem in this instance is that people like Gary Mason of the Globe and Mail, have their teeth firmly anchored around this issue, if I could give any recommendations to those police officers who were involved it would be "hold onto your hats, this one is not going to go away easily."

I sat with a bunch of the media types including Ian Mulgrew, Andy Ivens, and Scott Sutherland one night in Houston. Bear in mind, between the four of them ,they have covered more trials than the average Joe could dream about. They didn’t like what they heard at the inquest and they were there for the whole show.

It is the media that has taken the matter of Bush and St Arnauld and placed it at the top of their blotter.

 I’m am not alone in wondering how in the world someone could send off a list of questions to a lawyer to be sanitized before an answer was given  three months after you had shot the guy in the back of the head while he was in your custody.

The Coroner’s inquest is a dream come true for the police in these investigations for while they may get a bit of jam on their lapel, they will never ever get the pie thrown in their face. The Coroner’s jury can’t find fault, and from the very first day we  were all sitting around saying well, they will call for increased surveillance and have a second officer there while they interview the suspect.

All very warm and fuzzy ideas but not one of them gets down to the nuts and bolts of who did it.

 If the media continues to sniff around this one (and I have every reason to believe they will) Constable Paul Koester had better continue having his mum answer the phone because there are still a lot of questions coming his way.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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The question I would like answered is how can Wally Oppal continue to support the Crown Procecutor not subjecting Const. Paul Koestner to criminal charges? I would also like to know why Premier Gordon Campbell is not considering to convene a Public Inquiry at the present time. I guess the "Code of Silence" runs deeper than only the RCMP.
I did read elsewhere a few days ago that Christie Clark has called for an inquiry. Go to http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/.
You have to scroll down a bit.

Gordon Campbell has already responded by refusing.

The case of Wally Oppal is an embarrassment for the Liberal government. He publicly intervened early on before the inquest and stated that the shooting was self defense. Now, any inquiry or other action by the provincial government must contradict that statement implicitely or explicitely. As a judge he should have known better, and he should (be made to) resign for interfering in the administration of justice. Don't hold your breath, though.
Want to have the latest info on Ian Bush. Set up a Google Alert for yourself. Works great.

[/url]http://www.google.com/alerts[/url]
How in the world did I not know about google alert??? Thanks Ann!!Will make things much easier to read about all this crookedness. I'd like to add a name to my earlier used phrase in one of my blogs: "You'll get em Kev and Ian." I can't wait to get that "warm and fuzzy" feeling once certain people are charged and/or fired!!!
Questions I would like answered about the shooting and killing of Ian Bush by Const. Paul Koester.

-Did Koester target Bush for arrest?
-Did anyone besides Koester hear Bush give him two false names?
-Did Koester make a legal arrest of Bush?
-How did the long stem beer bottle with Ian Bush's thumbprint come to be in the interview room?
-How did Koester provoke Bush to get into a life and death struggle?

We know that Koester was behind and on top of Bush when the fatal shot was fired because of Joe Slemko's sworn unequivocal expert testimony at the Coroner's inquest
Prosecutor obligations are laid out in "Crown Counsel Policy Manual." It is available at the Law Library at Vancouver Courts. Where information comes to a prosecutor from ANY source that a cop has committed a crime, that prosecutor MUST report same to a police service. In the Ian Bush case, cops took steps to ensure that prosecutors received only exculpatory pseudo-evidence, that led to an ersatz exhoneration of Koester. AG staff pretended to buy cop snakeoil. The Supreme Court of Canada says that prosecutors are subject to Law Society rules:
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2002/2002scc65/2002scc65.html

Last Sunday, Christy Clark called for an inquiry, in a Province column. She would represent much Liberal Party opinion.

As for Wally Oppal, he has appeared to be visibly upset concerning the Basi-Virk case. Why? They are fellow Sikhs. They ARE also part of the network that induced the offer of the AG position to Oppal, when he was serving on the Appeal Court. Embarassing disclosures have already come out of Basi-Virk, and he is not interested in further humiliations. In fact, an issue involving Provincial Court judge, Harbans Kaur Dhillon, will soon arise. Said issue will not be ground on innuendo. Dhillon is a Sikh.

Oppal once chaired a cop-friendly Commission into policing in BC. His Appeals Court work was similar. However, when the AG deal was being brokered, he produced a dissent against a perverse judgement of his Appeals Court colleagues. Did Oppal take the high road, or was did he want to colour his career with a tinge of impartiality and objectivity becoming of a prospective AG? Judge for yourself:
http://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcca/doc/2005/2005bcca88/2005bcca88.html

Wally thinks both that cops have a duty to report unconscious prisoners to medical professionals, and thinks that cops can tailor evidence to meet corrupt needs. I trust him as far as I can spit against a hurricane.
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Friends of Ian Bush admitted that liquor was brought in from a neighbouring residence after the landlord complained of noise. Being served with a lawful ticket is hardly motive for ATTEMPTED MURDER.

Why did COP-RAGE inflict Koester? His Senior officer, Darren Woroshelo was so belligerent with the arena security guard, who he falsely accused of allowing parking lot drinking, that said female guard couldn't attend work the next day. The $71,000 a year coroner - who couldn't apply the Canada Evidence Act to save his life - wouldn't let her testify. Cops are trained to be savage authoritarians. Studies have found that male cops are 5 times as likely as other men, to beat their wives. However, 5 female VPD cops were disciplined for vandalizing a home of a suspect, who had posted anti cop posters in his residence.
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Question: what was the name of the security chief? News accounts omitted to name her even though she wanted to testify. Her opinions are of public interest.
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Moderators:

Given that justice issues evoke interest here, be aware that an important drug prohibition case was reported yesterday by the BC Appeals Court. Dissents are extremely rare in that court. Your opinion would be welcome. There might be some here who are interested in the Conrad Black conviction, if only from the angle of big city arrogance. He would buy up small town media and then tell his co-convict - Radler - to meet with the Editor, and say: you will have only 2 reporters and 1 will sell ads. I met Conrad Black once, in Toronto.
http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/Jdb-txt/CA/07/03/2007BCCA0377.htm

Hi Ann,

"-How did Koester provoke Bush to get into a life and death struggle?"

I think being booted in the 'privates' would do it for me ... maybe the first indication that Ian's life was in danger, but we'll never know for sure the order in which things happened because we're still waiting for the truth to come out ... if it does.

From all the evidence given, I also believe Ian was provoked into fighting for his life.

I really hope this case doesn't get swept under the rug.








Look what popped up on google alert:
http://www.pgfreepress.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=26&cat=48&id=1025083&more=0

Victor Bowman never should you link Kevin and Ian's stories with the officers who actually do their job right. Really disappointing. A little more research would be appreciated as well before doing an article of this importance.

Also, I tried to send email to the link that they give in article if you'd like to comment and it was sent back to me.
This ones for Heidi. Keep your chin up. Live with your memories. Leah is Beautiful. Forget the ignorant remarks a certain person made. You are right, we should not judge others, some people just have nothing better to do. By the way Kevin was an awesome carver, truly a talent there. Love the Rose.
This ones for Heidi. Keep your chin up. Live with your memories. Leah is Beautiful. Forget the ignorant remarks a certain person made. You are right, we should not judge others, some people just have nothing better to do. By the way Kevin was an awesome carver, truly a talent there. Love the Rose.
Oops, zigged when i should of zagged.
heidi1555

There's a typo in the posted email address. Email address should be editor@pgfreepress.com.

Thanks pisspulper....wanted to abbreviate your name but thought ah better not ;) It's ok zig all you want. You're not a judge or a politician by chance are ya? :)
Thanks so much honestly and seriously it means a lot.
Oh thanks Ann...I vented already and feel better now. Maybe if something bothers me tomorrow i'll email them :)
They should have tested if Koester was on steroids?

Or at least a steroid test should be looked at in any case of cop rage. It should be done to protect the police legally and the police image, as well as to protect the public who are at a handicap to do anything about cop-rage.

Clearly Ian was kicked in the nards and shot in the back of the head through a fit of uncontrolled rage. Was that rage the result of an illegal substance being used by an officer trusted with the task to protect the public?

Its the equivalent of having a brain surgeon on LSD, or giving youth workers viagra during work hours. Same kind of predictable consequences. If hockey players have to test, then why not the police? Roid rage is real and a danger to the rule of law when abused by police with no accountability.
More Cop-Rage in action.

Vancouver Province, July 15
Officer Guilty of Kicking Handcuffed Thief in Head
By Matthew Little

A New Westminster police officer has received a conditional discharge after kicking a handcuffed suspect in the head. The judgement carries no criminal record.

Todd Sweet's discharge conditions include 100 hours of community service in three separate places.

Of those hours, 30 must be spent in a food bank. 30 in a homeless shelter and 40 lecturing fellow officers about controlling anger and anxiety and the consequences of failing to do so...

The Crown sought a criminal conviction and a $500 fine...

While (Stephen) White was on the ground handcuffed, he complained his cuffs were too tight. Sweet then kicked him in the head with substantial force.
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Abominable writing. The Province has low standards. This cop shot a young man to death in suspicious circumstance, prior to this incident. He is defending a suit for battery, filed by another person.
Yeah I saw on the news. I think the hours should've been turned into days. 30 days food bank, 30 days homeless shelter, 40 days in a physical rehab. center helping people with disabilities caused by the hands (feet) of other people. A warning should go out about consequences to fellow officers and the fine should go up if any of them break it. If they want fellow officers to get the message about controlling anger and anxiety they should have someone qualified come in to talk to them.
I am going to start a website on cop-rage. There is general denial of the phenomenon. Bad apple excuses undermine understanding of the core rot in policing.

Check out the bad cop/no donut website:

http://nodonut.egoweblog.com/

And this inside report from a man who abandoned policing.

http://www.policeabuse.org/director.html

Kamau has a partner videotape racist cops making illegal lane-change detentions of blacks. In one recorded incident, a white cop is seen throwing him through a plate glass window.
Another google alert: Joe Slemko. Really sickens me what they are putting this man through. Just shows beyond a doubt how they cover their own no matter what cost. They just want to win. Joe deserves better.
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/story.html?id=40486b34-a05b-4f91-9c5c-87149885d2cd&k=65918
This is ridiculous. Members of the media personally attacking officers in a public forum. Believe it or not folks the general public has confidence in the process at hand despite the skewed, biased reporting by a bunch of media hacks.All that has been accomplished is to bring the wingnuts like Truth and Ann et al out in force to amuse us with with their preposterous nonsense.I might add however, that the steroid theory by Chadermando takes the cake. I find it hard to believe that the editors allow people like the Truth and Chaderamndo to continue their postings with numerous references to Zionism and Nazism. Sad.
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/letters/story.html?id=e14f6216-f70d-4c89-894b-57d08767eacf


RCMP's reputation is fast becoming irreparable
Letter
Published: Tuesday, July 10, 2007
Re: Bush family vows fight for justice not over, July 7

So Sgt. Pierre Lemaitre thinks that the relationship between the RCMP and British Columbians is fine. As an Ontarian, I am surprised at the level of distrust, animosity and sheer aversion to the RCMP I have encountered on recent travels through B.C. -- from the sort of people you might expect to support the police come hell or high water. I cannot count the number of conversations that turned to the killing of Ian Bush, a questionable RCMP shooting in Vanderhoof, pepper spraying in Sechelt, a beating in Merritt and, of course, the simmering pension fund scandal. Such conversations are among "establishment crowds," including Conservative and Liberal voters.

It is clear that the RCMP is fast losing the confidence of British Columbians. Before the reputation of the force moves beyond all repair, the B.C. government must create an independent RCMP overseer with real investigative and audit powers. At the very least, political sensibilities will tell them that such change is essential. A public inquiry into Bush's death and the troubling events surrounding that terrible night would be a good start on the road to reform.

Yes, a single letter to the editor from someone from Ontario.
Wow, Ann guess you've proved your point.The general public understands that when you attack a police officer usually it doesn't turn out in your favour. Guess you didn't watch the Sechelt video. Looks like the police were getting swarmed. They do have the right to defend themselves but I wouldn't expect you to grasp that concept.