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TSB Says CN Derailment in P.G. is Class 3 Occurrence

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Friday, August 10, 2007 04:01 AM

There is no telling how long it will take the Transportation Safety Board to complete its investigation into last Saturday’s CN collision and derailment in Prince George.

The collision and derailment has been designated a “level  3” incident . That means it is the investigation of an individual occurrence, there will be a written report but no recommendations.  An incident is given this classification if  A) there is a public expectation that the TSB should independently make findings as to the cause and  contributing factors, or  B) there  is a potential to  better understand  “the latent unsafe conditions contributing to a significant safety issue; or C) a government representative so requests or D) the Board must do so to meet its obligations or commitments.”

The Transportation Safety Board Spokesperson, John Cottreau says while this level of investigation will not produce recommendations, there are other ways to communicate safety issues “We could issue a safety advisory, or send out a safety information bulletin.” 

How long will it take to  produce a report?  “That is the question I am most often asked, and the one to which I have no answer” says Cottreau.  “It will take as long as it takes to determine the cause. We will take the time we need.”

One thing is certain says Cottreau,  if there are safety issues identified during the course of the investigation, they will be dealt with “We will not wait until the report is complete, if there is something that should be  addressed, we will  deal with that immediately.”

While CN  has gone on record as saying  the August 4th collision and derailment was the result of  human error, Cottreau says the Board will make it’s own findings “Anyone can say whatever they want, our investigators are very thorough and will look at everything.”

Does that investigation include an examination of the “safety culture” of the corporation? Cottreau says reports in the past have examined that issue, and if it is considered a factor in this incident, there is no reason to think it wouldn’t be examined. 

He also says   if the information gathered indicates the investigation should be upgraded to “Class 2” it will be.  Under that classification, there will be a written report with recommendations.  An incident is given this classification if there is “a high probability of advancing Canadian transportation safety in that there is significant potential for reducing the risk to persons, property or the environment.”

The “Class 1 Occurrence” means the Board has decided to call a public inquiry.  Cottreau says to date, that has not been necessary.

Class 4 Occurrences  are a safety issue investigation resulting from  multiple occurrences.

Class 5 is data collection for analysis, statistical reports  and archives.

    
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I understand the incident has to be investigated, and as Transport Canada states here if there seems to be a problem with the "safety culture" they will look at that as well.
What I would like to ask is how many accidents does it take before they look into the "safety culture"? I can see once being an accident, but once a month?
what will it take? loss of life?

My question is about that "CN railyard" designation, where the CN spokesperson says the collision happened.

Someone told me that, at the time of the "sale" of B.C. Rail to CN, the trackage between the old B.C. Rail Passenger Station and the CN yard on 1st Avenue was ... "re-designated" ... and became the CN railyard in its entirety. Or not.

Can anyone confirm or refute this? I've googled until my head spins, without pinpointing this particular issue with BC Rail in Prince George.

So ... if true, how did that "re-designation" happen? Was it part of the Agreement for "Sale" signed in November 2003 which the public hasn't seen yet?

Or ... did CN decide unilatterally to re-define the publicly-owned rail-bed?

If so, how could CN just up and help themselves to trackage which (cue the maniacal laughter) Premier Campbell said was still owned by the people of British Columbia? That's right, Gordo said he had sold "only" the freight operating service, not the rail-bed etc.

Somehow, questions remain. I think B.C.'s journalists might have explained, especially in a photo caption of the flaming wreck, that "this might look like a steeply treed hillside beside the Fraser River but it is now re-defined as the CN railyard".

Then, of course, journalists might've felt more comfortable explaining that because of the handy aforementioned re-designation, one of the locomotives hauling hazardous materials HAD NO DRIVER because, in a railyard, such things are done routinely.

It wouldn't explain why nobody warned the poor guy in the oncoming train, though.

If anyone has information on this, many thanks if you'll leave your comment at http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com

Engine Engine number nine going down Chicago line if the train goes off the track will I get my money back.
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BC Mary that is a very interesting point you raise. I too would like to know that answers to that.

Its a shame that the sale of BC Rail is classified information, because with the Virk case of influence peddling and the obvious implications relating to public land regarding CN railyard activities the public should have a right to see the agreement, so as to reach our own conclusions.

This puts to rest the case that we do or do not live in a democracy when simple information like this is held back from the public for the political purposes of one single political party and those vested interests that influence that party.
Europe introduces the fast cat ferries in the Channel to replace the hover craft?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyq0M4WhW9s&mode=related&search=
Right on Mary.

This should be public information.

How about information to those who live adjacent to the tracks?

City Council should take some responsibility for its' citizens.