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Friendship Lodge Meeting a Heated Discussion

By 250 News

Tuesday, October 02, 2007 08:44 PM

     

A full house greeted  reps from the City, Native Friendship Centre and  B.C. Housing at the public meeting at Ron Brent Elementary School

 There were 209 people on hand for this evening’s public meeting on the proposed “Friendship Lodge”, the transitional  home planned for the site that used to be the home of the Backpacker Motel on Queensway.  That turnout is nearly double the number of people who showed up for the two open houses held to gather public opinion on the University Heights development which involved a plan for 674 hectares and housing for nearly 11 thousand people.

Things didn’t get off to a good start as there had been no provision for a microphone, and the first speaker couldn’t be heard by the crowd, leading the City’s Development Services  Dan Milburn to step in and provide a bigger booming voice.

The site has been purchased, the facility operator chosen, the site has been cleared, advertising is underway to fill a position for this project, the design has been done (it’s a three storey) for the  “apartment “ building of 29 one bedroom self contained apartments . Given those points, there should be no surprise that area residents think this is a “done deal”

“This is not a done deal” says Development Services Dan Milburn.  The full- house crowd didn’t buy it, and groaned. “This is a rezoning process and your elected officials will have a  public  hearing  before making a decision on if this is, or isn’t,  the right  place for a  facility such as this.”

The plan would handle adults over the age of 18 who are homeless, have drug or mental health issues. 

When it comes to site selection, Milburn says the Official Community Plan “helped guide us to find a site” 

 B.C. Housing’s  Louise Elms says “We bought the Backpacker site thinking the process would go through. Can we sell the property? Yes.  If this process doesn’t go through can we sell it?  Yes.” 

(at right  one woman  presents her view,  photo Opinion250 staff)

The residents  had  plenty of questions:

Q.What do you think this is going to do to our property values having a homeless shelter in the neighbourhood?

A.This is not a homeless shelter, a shelter is a place you go at night, these are homes, and this is a transitional home.

Q. What does eleven months do for a person who is addicted or has mental issues, these issues are not solved in eleven months, where’s your continuity to this program?

A  It can be up to two years, but two years can be a long enough tine to transition them.

Q.  I know why most of us are here, I saw 6 people doing crack cocaine here, our neighbourhood has the prostitutes and the pimps, crack dealers and the johns, the security is ludicrous.  One caretaker and two staff members is no kind of way to handle this.

A. (Milburn) Is this going to encourage drug use and the problems in this community and that is a good question.

Q.It is a shame to destroy our neighbourhood, we are not against helping people but not there, put it downtown. I don’t care if they want to break into our cars at work, but not where I’m sleeping good golly!”

Q.    What other sites were examined?

A One of the proponents looked at another site which was in the downtown area, there was also a site on 4th avenue that was not for sale and we were not able to negotiate a price.

Q Will the residents be allowed to use crack or engage in prostitution while they live here?

A. It is clearly not the intent for this facility to have these people continue to engage in that kind of activity

Q Is there a limit on the number of people who can live there?

A. There are 29 single bedroom apartment so there could be 29, or if there are couples there could be as many as 58,

Q.  Why would you put a building with this purpose in an area with this kind of reputation ( drugs prostitution etc.) why are taking these people you are trying to help and putting them into an area where they are going to fail?

A. There are not that many locations where there is suitable transportation.

Dan Milburn interjected when the crowd started grumbling “I’m hearing you people don’t live in this neighbourhood and you don’t care, well these people up here (the experts) care a great deal about all the communities in this city.” Milburn also directed the crowd tolook at the map  that had been pasted on the back wall, saying it  shows the sites in other parts of the City which offer adult services. 

Some of the sites on the map include Rainbow Park Lodge,  Hospice House,  and the downtown  overnight shelters.

When Opinion250 asked Milburn if it was fair to include the Hospice House on such a map,  Dan Milburn replied, "Well how do we know those people in Hospice House  are not pedophiles?" 

There were also plenty of questions about drug use. 

Barb Ward-Burkitt told the group “We do not promote drug use, if there are behaviours happening there that are deemed inappropriate, then that will be dealt with on an individual basis.”

On resident stood up to say poverty is not pretty, “I don’t want to live in a community that says we don’t want to help people.  I like it here.  I don’t want people to get upset, I want people to understand what these people (Native Friendship Centre and BC Housing) are trying to do.” He turned to Barb Ward-Burkitt and asked her to tell the gathering about the good work the Prince George Native Friendship centre is doing “because the word is just not getting out.”

Barb Ward-Burkitt  informed the crowd, that if the process goes ahead, they are prepared to work with the community. 

“Enough of the B.S.” yelled one resident, “Take that message back to City Council,  we’ve had enough! We don’t want this G… D….  thing in our neighbourhood.”

Yet another resident  said, “When  you are down on your luck  and you want to get a leg up,  you need an address, and this will help  Instead of saying not in my backyard, say thank God we can help.”


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Seems when they had the Rally in the Valley to stop the redistribution of seats we had all the top brass at the meetings
(1) Mayor Kinsley
(2) Munoz
(3) Krause
(4) Basserman
(5) Sethen
(6) Howard Lloyd
(7) Len Fox Mayor of Vanderhoof
(8) Shirley Bond
(9) John Rustad
(10) Pat Bell

That is just to name a few. They had approx 200 to 250 people present, and guess what. It looks like they will get want they want.

Now the question is how many of these people were present to either listen to or support the 209 people who are trying to save their neibourhood???? Were they all conspicuous by their absence. If so then hopefully they will be remember next election.

This facility should be located across from the Heritage House Shelter on 6th Avenue. The City already owns most of the property on that block, and it would be ideal. Much closer to facilities than any building on 17th and Victoria.

Watch this one it will be a doozer.
Mr. Moose didn't show. Maybe he thought arithmetic issues would arise. Looks like they din't.
Dan Milburn replied, "Well how do we know those people in Hospice House are not pedophiles?"

That has to be taken out of context?

Hospice is the house you don't walk away from. By the time you check into that place you aren't going to be a bother to anyone but the grave digger detail.
The is the second time in the last year or so that I know of that the City has allowed a planning process to reach a virtual point of no return when rezoning and other permits are not yet in place causing owners to expend excessive time and money. Most prudent developers will purchase a property with a “subject to” clause in it which in this case should have been a subject to rezoning approval for the intended use.

While it may be seen to be helpful for the planning department to work with the owner to find a suitable property, I believe it to be a conflict of interest. What has the planning department done to work with those who do not wish the property to be rezoned? This is a bit late to have this type of meeting. I think it is time the City take a new look at how it is operating in such cases.

If the rezoning had come in front of Council with no purchase made yet, I think that Council would not be put in such a difficult position as they are now.

It really does look like a done deal to me. How can it not be?
"Well how do we know those people in Hospice House are not pedophiles?"

Seems to me that he was very flustered and in an uncomfortable and defensive environment that he made a faux pas like that. Unless, of course, he really does not know what Hospice House is.
When Opinion250 asked Milburn if it was fair to include the Hospice House on such a map, Dan Milburn replied, "Well how do we know those people in Hospice House are not pedophiles?"
You have got to be kidding...and who pays his salary? He really made such a statement then he has no credibility or brains at all.This man needs to go.
"Well how do we know those people in Hospice House are not pedophiles?"

Lack of respect and self-control if indeed there was uttered such a thing - I was not there so I presume that there was an unfortunate misunderstanding which needs, if true, to be followed up by an explanation and an apology.

Hospice house provides more than palliative care. They also provide temporary respite care as well. So people do walk away from Hospice. The analogy was appropriate, it's just that not a lot of people understand the scope of the Hospice Society's services.
The bottom line is that the property is not zoned and it looks like city council is going to be held at ransom and they will have to chose between the people that own homes in the area and voted them in and a big City blunder. Lets hope they will listen to the people and at the council meeting be better prepared with microphones and enough chairs. Council chambers might not be big enough as we will be there in force and will want our questions answered. So council had better do their home work and there is the conflict issues in more areas than one.The Council will have to deal with the Issues as they are instead of a bunch of double talk. The project is to big for any one neighbourhood maybe we can share with College Heights and the new University Heights subdivision. I wonder if the planning dept. remembered to make sure there is a spot for social housing in the new subdivision. Good for the lady with the sign she makes the point Cancer clinic NOW not in maybe five years everything else comes second or not at all.
Watch city council suddenly smarten up soon, as a year from the next election draws near. Some folks have longer memories when it comes to city councils faux pas these last three years. Let's hope so.
What I would like to hear are some points that convince me this facility will be managed well and work, I didn't hear any of this at the meeting.

How about some security on-site. What about the idea of a phased-in project. 29 units sounds like a lot to me. Why not start with 10, iron out any issues with the facility board including community members before stepping up the operation. I also didn't hear anything about help for the neighbourhood. How about the facility provide services for needle clean-up, clean-up of ingledew park, connaught hill, and the top of patricia. How about a hot-line for neighbourhood residents to make complaints regarding activities in the neighbourhood that the facility can then try to deal with in a timely manner. All seem logical to me and seem like something a well planned facility would have included in the plan upfront to bring residents on-side. With better planning more residents could be brought on board instead of turned against the facility, which I am sure most are after the last meeting.
I went to the meeting on Tuesday night and was not surprised in the very least that the public officials conducting the meeting were unprepared and could not answer a majority of the questions. If they offer a consultation process to the neighbours of this residential area, one would think they would have their ducks in a row and would provide intelligent, factual answers not the same lip service that has been provided through this whole process.

Taking a drive through the downtown core of Prince George paints a pretty good picture of what this facility will bring to the neighbourhood. If people are not convinced this shelter is not going to impact this neighbourhood, I recommend you take a drive downtown and park your car in front of 171 George Street or 590 Dominion Street to witness the criminal activity taking place in front of these facilities on a daily basis. I would assume this is one of the many reasons City Representatives has taken the steps to hire security at City Hall.

I agree the community as a whole needs to support people with mental illness and drug addictions but with conditions that impose a rehabilitation program during their stay at these facilities. If we continue to build these facilities on a flop house basis, we only bandage the problem and create more social problems. These facilities should be operated by professional trained personnel and have a zero tolerance policy.

I oppose the location and concept of the operation of this facility!
"So people do walk away from Hospice. The analogy was appropriate,...."

People walk away from all kinds of places, even City Hall.

The question here ought to be if it was reasonable to make a reference to pedophilia in order to win an argument or if a more intelligent valid point could have been made without resorting to a remark that lacked logic and common sense.

Just my opinion, of course. I wouldn't have said it...