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Backpacker Motel Public Meeting A Snow Job: One Man's Opinion

By Ben Meisner

Thursday, October 04, 2007 03:45 AM

            

For about 190 of the 210 people who showed up at Ron Brent Elementary School to talk about the new homeless facility on Queensway they weren’t treated to a sales job, it was snow job.

We did learn that the City Planning department had worked with BC Housing to come up with the location. So the dye was cast three years ago, you had the province buying the property with the blessing of the City Planning department.

It will be interesting to see if City Council follows its own guide lines, those being that if you buy property, and begin the process of building on it without first receiving the proper zoning, then you’re not going to receive the City’s support. Now given that it is the province of BC and the City’s very own Planning Department who did the deed, let’s see if there are two sets of rules.  

The neighbourhood residents have concerns about security, they  wanted assurances their children won’t be  molested or exposed to  the  demons these Freindship Lodge  residents are trying to  exorcise.   In an effort to allay those fears, the City Planning department  kept  advising residents to look a the "map" on the back wall which  shows there are similar facilities offering similar services in neighbourhoods all over the City.

The comparisons of this new facility by City planning staff as being similar to, for example, the Hospice House and Rainbow Park Lodge are bloody absurd.

Try to imagine Granny from Rainbow Lodge parked in front of the facility in her wheel chair doing tricks?  Or more absurd , a resident of Hospice House out among the homes looking for little kids to molest?  How about a wheelchair bound resident of a facility heading out at night to mug someone?   

The only thing in common between the facilities  marked on the map and the "proposed" Friendship Lodge is that  the services will be for adults. 

At Friendship Lodge  there could be as many as 58 adults, suffering from  drug addiction, mental health issues and life skill problems. 

I couldn’t quite frankly sit through it all and listen to the kind of rhetoric that was being peddled to the 190 people from the area who where being fed a story not even your mother would buy.  

City Councilor Debora Munoz, who was sitting in the rear of the hall, took time to accuse me of a “rant "  for speaking up. That "rant" Councilor was asking questions that I fear will never pass your lips.  I still want to know if this is a done deal cobbled together three years ago by BC Housing  and a few of the employees (who are supposed to answer to  you).  Perhaps you might now ask the question because if it was agreed to by the City, the next question is,  why bother having you.?  It was you who offered up your name for office, you are the one who is paid  to ask the questions, but you were strangely silent the other night .

Then there was another lady who accused me of being a, "shit disturber”.

What a fine compliment, considering who it came from, and I pose this question to her; why didn’t she "shit disturb", and raise the matter of this map that the head table kept referring to?  Not one single existing facility in this city is the same as the one proposed ,and as I have said earlier, do the people of that area of the city have any say in the matters of their neighborhood or are they dictated to? If Rainbow Lodge is so similar, why not then exchange locations?  Not one resident in attendance was opposed to that idea. 

As for the threat I received, the line forms to the right, you will find you’re a long way back in the row.

I will continue to ask questions on behalf of the people in that neighborhood.  They have been victims of what appears to be a legislated move over the past 15 years to put all of the facilties for the homeless into their area along with the drug addicts, pimps and hookers.

History has taught us that you don’t put a chicken coop in the middle of a fox den.  If it is the intention to try and help these poor souls you don’t place a road block in front of them that they may not be able to overcome .Putting them in the midst of a crowd that you’re  trying to get them to break away from is hardly where you start.

BC Housing tried to hang their hat on The Native Friendship Center. Barb Ward- Burkitt is a straight up gal, she said the Queensway location wasn’t the first choice that the Native Friendship center had picked.  BC Housing and of course the City Planners thought otherwise.

On Wednesday morning we were being told that the "map" the city planners kept alluding to was being ,"up dated” that’s the short way of saying  the facilities they had  pinpointed weren’t  comparable afterall with the proposal  for 1656 Queensway.

Given the events this week,  I must caution you that winter will come early this year because a great deal of snow fell on Ron Brent Elementary School the other night.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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Can't say I wouldn't have the same fears/worries if I lived in that neighbourhood. My question remains though, considering transportation issues, social services accessibility, removed from other troubled people, no unhappy neighbours..... where would YOU put them?
Breath-takingly, mind-bogglingly stupid.

And I don't mean the proposed Friendship Lodge development.
Where shall we put these people - College Heights? I know - the new university heights neibourhood - perfect!!

Ben - what you say doesnt make sense - prime example in East Vancouver- the needle exchange - is it located in Surrey or Langley? No - its located where the problems are.

I find it hard to believe that we in the neighbourhood would rather have a vacant run down motel (was even worse when it was still open) than a new building helping people!

Your comment regarding pimps and hookers is obsurd - I didn't hear you mention "Johns" - the real problem here - where do you think they come from Ben? They come from all walks of society - lawyers, judges, doctors etc who dont live in the area - lets fix THAT problem first....
I agree Ben, Lets put the shelter up in college heights. That way the "poor souls" will have a good examples all around them. Putting up there will prevent them from accessing the meager social services available and thus prevent them from associating with the bad crowd who access these services. This whole project was designed and financed by the B.C. Liberal party and B.C. Housing. Remember BC RAIL and how most of the city council fawned at Gordo's dream of selling our property? Same type of thinking by most councilors regarding the provinces wishes on building this facility. There are two issues here. One, the intentional lack of public input in the decision making and two, the public fear mongering about what the shelter will bring to their area.
Ben: "I will continue to ask questions on behalf of the people in that neighborhood. "

Noble effort, to be sure! But Don Quixote was more successful fighting windmills!

"This whole project was designed and financed by the B.C. Liberal party and B.C. Housing."

Let's ban the B.C. Liberal Party and then B.C. can return to the do-nothing or do-nothing-right days of the NDP!

*Instant paradise* as some writers are continuously preaching in their comments!

Whew!

I'll tell you once more. I do not support the N.D.P. either. I support creating a political party based on humanity and not money. I hope that this idea can get into the concrete. Thick and firmly set.
If you find a political party that is not based on money or the irrational and/or irresponsible use of it, please let me know!

The Liberals are not it, but they are in my opinion at least tackling problems that the other party conveniently ignored for a decade! By doing nothing one can avoid making mistakes, but doing nothing turned out to be the gravest mistake of them all!

Naturally, when one takes certain action the naysayers and I-told-you-so people start to crawl out of the woodwork. That is to be expected. Dissing everything is not a solution although it may be great fun doing so for some.

Realist, I am not saying that you are one of those, mind you.

"This whole project was designed and financed by the B.C. Liberal party and B.C. Housing. "

You could have said "the B.C. Government..." because I am certain that the B.C. Liberal Party did neither design nor did it finance the project. The Party is one entity, the present government is another.

So, how would you solve the problem?

I would encourage you to form that new party and I would love to read its platform and evaluate it!
Sure, Ben, they could put the Lodge in the Rainbow area, but then the residents in that area would be up in arms, and you'd be at their residents meeting demanding to know why the facility is to be build so far from any resources, so close to a school, so close to a park, blah, blah, blah.

And btw, I know for a fact that there is at least one convicted sex offender at Rainbow Lodge. Having spent time there as staff, I can also say that the majority of the residents of Rainbow Lodge also have addictions and mental health issues... issues that are not being treated as they would at Friendship Lodge. So you're right... the comparison between Friendship and Rainbow Lodges probably isn't appropriate.
You nailed it Ben - perhaps you should consider running for Mayor.

An overwhelming majority of residents in this neighbhourhood who will be directly affected by this facility oppose this shelter - people who do not live in this area have not had to deal with the ongoing problems that have been associated with this neighbour over the past several years.

We have had enough and we will stand united as we continue to fight for the safety of our neighbourhood!
Here is a link to information posted on the City of Prince George web site regarding the proposed Friendship Lodge.

http://www.city.pg.bc.ca/pages/oldbackpacker/index.html
Hello to all who love our neighbourhood, yes PG I am talking to all who come down and enjoy Fort George Park and surrounding walking and bike trails...

I have lived in this fine neighbourHOOD for 15 years and have seen the coming and going of some pretty scary events. To name a few...biker houses, murder, needles on the roads, stabbings, drug beatings, shootings...Robberies at the 7-11 (neighbour to future Friendship Lodge) I have seen neighbours rally to send hookers away, chase Johns from the streets...break up crack houses and so much more...I am so proud to live in such a place where people join together and are a neighbourhood! I love the daycares in my neighbourhood...the church...the three schools with all our young children and especially I love that we now have a vacant lot on Queensway! I am totally against this project as I think it is not well planned...I can not believe that the tenants of friendship lodge will not have to undergo treatment...not have to be drug tested...not have to do anything to better themselves...just simply say, I want to get better...WOW!!! When the TENANTS of Friendship lodge move into the apartments under BC Tenancy Laws...does the Friendship Lodge have the right to enter apartments...NO, maybe with 24-hour notice! Do they have the ability to remove someone from their apartment?...NO... this would require a 30-day eviction notice! That sounds really safe...How will one monitor the coming and going of FRIENDS!!! As a landlord you cannot stop someone from visiting a friend.... Where is the protection in this...When we ask about the screening process...they only have to be at risk for homelessness...WOW! I would not wish this project on any neighbourhood in this city because I love Prince George...I stand up for all peoples safety...I believe this neighbourhood has suffered enough already....many people have comments to make when it is not their neighbourhood at risk for change...A question for all people...would you like a project of this magnitude developed in your neighbourhood...would you feel safe...what about your kids...your properties...really sit down and think...is this right...I will say thanks to Ben for asking those tough questions...sometimes it takes a real hero to stand up and say I'm Ben and this is how I feel! Good for you Ben...You have always been there for residents of PG!
Cripes, lionfish, if you climb any further up Ben's hindquarters, you're going to disappear!
How about instead of crying NIMBY you offer some credible alternatives and, of coarse, run it by THAT neighbourhoods residents.
Hi Raparee

It is this kind of anger in society that causes tension amongst people. Why not locate this shelter in the downtown core; I hear they want to revitalize the area. If this project is so excellent and wonderful for a neighbourhood why not downtown. Maybe adding a population to the downtown core could spur growth within our community. I hear they are building condos downtown...maybe this could be the start of life downtown. Downtown is equally as close to services as any other place. What about a bus service provided by NFC, they have bus already, would a remote location allow for healing and remove the people from the environment that helped them to where they are today. Did you know there is also a proposed dangerous goods route that will run right past the front doors of this safe facility? Do you know that shelter is a small part of being homeless? I have great respect for people who stand up for what they believe in and are open to others ideas and thoughts without name calling and judging. What neighbourhood do you live in? I would stand up for your neighbourhood as well. Projects like this do not belong in areas where children and seniors live...these are the vulnerable people of our society. I have nothing against homeless people, as I am the bystander who will comfort and help a homeless person on the street. The other day I had the pleasure of helping a street person get the medical attention they so badly needed. Don't judge people. The neighbours of this area are only asking for the questions to be answered with answers not fog! When you ask a question you should get a firm answer not we are not sure at this point or this still has to be discussed and decided upon. I wrote this letter to say society needs to support one another and help your neighbour not write into a sit and judge one another. Ben you are still someone who I want on my side! Great work...as I climb up onto your shoulders...yee haw!

Always your friend in Miller Addition
As a resident of Millar, I am totally opposed to this "house". Call it whatever you want, but it is going to be a shelter. The problem here is that we just keep moving the problem around town with no real thought to a rehabilitation program so these troubled people can integrate back into society. Any program I have heard of, they need to be secluded away from services not given access to them.

So taxpayers are going to foot the bill for yet another place that only facilitates the problem, but doesn't ever have a solution.

It shouldn't be in any residential neighbourhood and certainly not in a historical part of our city that houses the major park system.

If BC Housing really wants to help then try coming up with a program to rehabilitate and get it away from the residential areas. The farm sounds like a great place to start!
NIMBY????!!!!

NIOBY!!!!!!

“Not in MY backyard” is an accusation one makes when someone else’s backyard is at stake, not one’s own. The thing we forget is that everyone single one of us either has had or will have a situation when they wish to invoke the same concern. I we do not protect our own backyard, who will? If we cannot be in control of our own lives, who will control them?

Look at what happened in Crescent Spur. The handful of people who lived there did not want a development which the representatives of the larger regional district could have voted for. Yet they did not. I would like to think they voted it down because they respected the wishes of those who lived there.

Then there is that famous saying:

“They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Remember, we are one community and we should be able to work it out so that a neighbourhood retains control over their own community.

And we wonder why the local First Nations cannot agree on treaty particulars. We all are capable of having differences of opinion about what is best for our community.
"I know for a fact that there is at least one convicted sex offender at Rainbow Lodge. Having spent time there as staff, I can also say that the majority of the residents of Rainbow Lodge also have addictions and mental health issues..."

Hello...Raperee

I am shocked to hear that a health professional like yourself is willing to break confidentialty of a patient...and release private information about a facility.
Bravo Ben.

If the proposed facility has so many beneficial spin offs, then the location would have been better suited to 4th and Brunswick as part of the "revitalization plan". I agree that the farm by the airport is a better location. At a rural location gardens can be used as a therapeutic activity, drug dealers can be kept a safer distance from the users, johns will need to make a special effort to pickup sex trade workers, and Queensway street will be less congested by criminals, spent needles, condoms, thieves, loitering and "john loop de loop traffic patterns".

Certainly the city planning department needs to do a bit of soul searching on this one.What, if any research, was used to support this decision?

GGal

"I am shocked to hear that a health professional like yourself is willing to break confidentialty of a patient>"

And the name of this patient is??????