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Forest Industry , a Crisis In Waiting ?

By 250 News

Wednesday, October 10, 2007 04:01 AM

            

Editor’s note: In this story, Opinion250 has not identified the people who have provided us with an insight into where they feel the forest industry is heading. We did that deliberately to allow them to speak frankly about what they see as a serious problem in the base resource of this region.

"We are doing a lot of soul searching in our company. Looking at our costs, trying to cut our losses and going into survival mode."  That’s the way one executive of a multi million dollar forest products company  describes  the current situation facing  the industry. 

Companies will soon be analyzing their third quarter results,  and  for many,   the numbers will not look  good.  Two   companies  (Canfor and Pope&Talbot) have already announced  there will be downtime at their mills in the  last three months of the year to  reduce inventory and to save  dollars.

One executive  says  each company is seeking a different solution and most of them are not very pretty. He says some companies are now saying we are tired of it, and we would like to throw in the towel, while others see this move as an opportunity.

Most  mill operators  don’t want to speculate on the activities of their competitors "I can’t be too interested in other people," one mill owner told us "I have to look at myself. If there ever has been a worse time in the forest industry, neither I nor the people around me have ever seen it."

While one mill owner   said Canfor is  just one of the players,  he wonders how long that company can  carry on the way it has "Year to date they have lost about $100 million dollars" he said, " Now I know that the third quarter at CANFOR won’t be as bad, but trust me, the $600 million they received in returned duties won’t last long. "

Earlier this  year,  workers and regional managers worked to come up with a  proposal to save the Mackenzie mill from  closure.   At the time, Canfor said that facility was  losing too much money  month to month.   The end result was a  lost shift,  about  one quarter of the mill’s workforce, let go. Still, it was a  better scenario than the closure which would have had  a major negative impact on the community of Mackenzie.

Make no mistake, mill owners are concerned,  "We are facing a crisis on a grand scale" says one owner, "18 months of tough sledding and then a severely reduced harvest . I always wonder who has been pulling the wool over people’s eyes because everyone in  P.G. seems to think that our economy is so diversified now that we don’t have to worry. "

What about the sale of wood products across the border?  A spokesman for an  American firm says  don’t hold your breath. About one half of all of the forest products Canadian  companies  ship south of the border goes to places like Home Depot , Lowe’s, and other major building supply houses. "About half of their products are used up by the renovation industry, ’the do it yourself market’, but that market has dried up"he says. "Perhaps as a result of people being scared by the fact that the value of their home has dropped by 40% over the past few months. Because of this mind set ,we are seeing less and less of the do- it -yourself business in stores. There is a fear here south of the border that the U.S. could go into a fill blown recession and if you don’t think its worry you need to look no further than the value of your dollar to see that investors are afraid of the US market."

North of the 49th,  mill owners are  taking stock of their operating costs, "It costs our company between $300 and $400 thousand dollars a month to stay open, ‘those are the bare costs that you have to pay no matter what" says one  mill executive,  “So if we run our mill and lose say $300 or $400 thousand, it  is about a break even point. When you start losing more money than it costs to remain open, you start looking at a long time shut down, maybe three or four months, to try and reduce inventory and costs.

What about CANFOR?   Canfor  is just one player, we were told, and each and every other mill operator noted all the players  are facing challenges; Pope & Talbot is in real trouble, Tolko is said to have challenges, West Fraser is viewed as being  more  competitive, Winton Global has already done some trimming both in the mill and in the  office.  "I think Canfor will drop $157 million this year" said one owner, while another speculated  Abitibi  could be heading for a major cash loss.  "No one wants to be the first to shut down , they are hoping that someone else goes first and they then can pick up their market share and stick around.."

The  reduced demand  for  lumber  has  been a blessing in disquise for  the coastal mills that have been on strike "Those mills have been on strike there since mid July and you don’t see any mill operator there in any rush to get those mills up and running."   Another owner said, "I don’t want you to think that the mills in eastern Canada will be the first to go”, I was there about five years ago and they have some pretty modern mills."

Most agree the exchange rate has been the biggest item, followed by the 15% export tax, a US market that is in the tank, and a future in which there is a dwindling supply of fiber.

Each and every one of these owners agreed on two things

  1. it is a major blow to the forest industry
  2. it will last at least 18months into the future.

Is there anyone making money in the forest industry?  Everyone agrees the Pulp industry is moving along full tilt. Prices for pulp they say have doubled in the last year and chips have been the saving grace for the industry.


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"it will last at least 18months into the future."

??????? .... the loss in feedstock based on pine will last considerably longer than that in this region.

Interesting how people were saying that the industry is going to have to re-adjust due to that reduced AAC that is coming. No one predicted the causes which are now slowing the industry down.

Forestry, Forestry, Forestry ..... about time to think about something other than forestry .... it is a one horse town mentality and it will be the death of this community if we are not carefull.
You're right on the money Owl. Unfortunately, I count on forestry to feed my family. I don't really want to move, but one never knows what's coming....
I am partially working in the industry as well, although province wide so it is not quite the same.

The silviculture side of forestry, for instaqnce, is going relatively strong and will likely grow even stronger to get as much out of the woods as possible. But we don't hear those stories. Too small of a component.

Forestry is not dying, but is will be reduced, especially if we keep on making the same products ship them out, and let others add the value. Not only do we need to diversify into other industries over time, but we need to diversify the products we make from the forests.

I have yet to see an ethanol plant, for instance. One was in the works about 5 years ago. I assume that had they built then, they would be raking in the money by now.
Maybe they could use some of the profits that they made a couple of years back to tide them over these "tough" times? Or did they give it all to the shareholders?

Not only does our economy need to deversify but the people that work in the forest industry need to deversify by looking at other means of income. Some of us left the natural resourse industries many years ago that have a history of being unstable.

There are times you need to take the bull by the horns and make a change and now is the time to do it when the economy is in an up swing. Stop listening to the dreamers like our Mare who just loves to tell us of the bright future ahead when in reality the population is dropping in our City. Go south young man go south.

Cheers
Funny no one mentioned the SARCO plans for protection of the caribou. The only area left with any trees is east of the PG - Williams Lake line. It's all caribou country, and not just the semi alpine areas either, it's all of it. For caribou recovery SARCO needs to have the modern economy stop cutting timber and modifying the land base environment. All that is really left for the mills is dead and rotting pine. The big valleys and the big spruce out west are off limits.
"No one predicted the causes which are now slowing the industry down"

Owl, what are you talking about? The government of BC has known for years that the pine beetle epidemic could spell disaster to the forestry industry. In 2002 I had to submit a depressed economy report to the government in order to recoup my losses on a home I had to sell for a work transfer from PG. Back then the forestry industry was reeling from the softwood tariff war, but I did make mention of the MPB issue. Most of the information I got was from government sources. My report was "approved" by Treasury board, so there must be something right about what I am saying.

The ONLY reason why forestry became viable again was because the beetle wood had to be harvested so people were put back to work. Now that we know the wood is only good for a certain amount of time, there will be a cut back on logging it. Additionally, it will become more costly for the industry to access it in various parts of the province. Couple that with the poor US market and the lumber giants will not bother and simply close up shop.

ON top of all this, we still has to pay softwood tariffs although not as expensive as before. The kick back of duties was eaten up quickly by the industry so now they are back to square one.

What I find unreal is how the PG real estate market has fluctuated on pure speculation....virtually ignoring the
warning signs resulting in a buying and/or new home construction frenzy.
I agree with Owl that forestry is in fact a "one horse town" mentality.
And a dangerous one at that!
There are still so many who refuse to believe that the industry is in trouble and, oddly enough,many of these same people are directly involved with logging,sawmilling,and trucking.
I also believe we will see a major decline in the number of sawmills throughout the north over the next 3 to 5 years, if it even takes that long.
This will occur due in large part to the Pine Beetle issue, as well as the demand for the lumber/product and the U.S.versus Can.dollar problem.
We need to be careful about staying too long at the fair, and start looking for viable alternatives as quickly as possible.
Mining is one of course,but there needs to be more.
The sad part is,Prince George being a major center for forestry and it's surrounding areas, will likely be one of the hardest hit by the changes.
Identifying alternatives and acting on them is the key, but it must be done very soon.The government needs to be more proactive in the process as well.
They in particular have really dropped the ball on this.
Time to quit living in the past and start looking down the road!
Big changes are coming and soon!
Lots of great points here. I also agree that the time is now to start making changes to how PG will look in 5-10 years.

We may as well get our hands dirty and try to lead the City into the changes that WILL happen, as opposed to reacting and being in a position to do nothing but complain about how the government didn't do enough to help us out.

This is a great City in a great area of the Province. Truth be told, cutting the forestry shackles could be the best thing to ever happen to PG. There is no doubt that many people will take a hit, but I have a hunch that with time, we will come to realize that we can get on with things in the abscence of the "big forestry engine". PG is a town that simply gets down to work and gets things done. If we have enough people pulling, I know that the future will be fine. It will be different, but it will be fine.

Personally, I think we have a huge oppotunity to shed the "mill town" image and develop into a more modern City that people will want to live in. Time will indeed tell.
Looking down the road and what do we see.

Snoopy trying to land a wide body cargo jet at the Prince George Airport.

Kaptain Kangaroo guiding a Container ship into the Port of Prince Rupert, so that containers can travel through Prince George without delay.

The Mad Hatter trying to get the economy going by building huge facilities that will cost Millions of dollars of tax payers money to run.

Has anyone ever thought that a lot of these projects are more for politicians getting re-elected than for actually creating any long term jobs. Good business for the local contracors, however how long can the Golden Goose, produce.

Having said that, it is not only the Government who is responsible to create employment, where is the private enterprise that is supposedly so alive and well in Prince George???

There has been very little local money invested in this City in the last 30/35 years, and I suspect there will be none in the future.

If I was a young person looking for long term employment I would now be looking at the Pacific Northwest, Vancouver, Grande Prairie, Ft St John, Ft Mcmurray, etc; these places will be generating jobs for a number of years to come.

If the Kitimat rebuild goes through there will be 3000 construction jobs created for the next 5 years of so. Once completed of course the plan is get rid of at least 700 high paid jobs at the smelter.

The Galore Creek mine up Highway 37 will create another 3000 construction jobs for the next 5 years, and then drop down to about 300 to 500 full time jobs. The Red Chris mine if approved would do the same.

The BC Transmission Corp will be building the $450Million or more transmission line up Highway 37 to service some of these mines and of course will create jobs.

If approval is given for the Terrane mine north of Mackenzie it could be built and up and running in the next 5 years. More construction jobs and then 300 permanent jobs.

Kemess is probably a bust, but who knows.

All these areas will continue to produce jobs and revenue in the next 10 years, however it appears that there is nothing in the future for Prince George. You might get some distribution business however I have already heard of a number of companies that are opening up branch offices in the Smithers, Terrace areas to be prepared for this business. Once you establish a distribution business West of Prince George, then of course you need less distribution in Prince George.

So we are back to square one. We need to diversify, but no one seems to have an answer except to blame the Government.

We need something more than Government Jobs, and Call Centres. If we are going to get away from dependence of the forest industry then what can we do. We have basically maxed out the University, and we are very close to having built all the public facilities that we could possibly use, needed or otherwise. So where do we go from here? That is the question.

We are either going to go into a serious bout of crying and hand wringing, or we will have to come up with some ideas.

At the moment I am idea challenged however I am alway trying to think of something that can be done. It would be interesing to see if anyone has some ideas other than **Blame the Goverment**

The Prince Rupert Container Terminal was the result of a lot of hard work over an extended period of time by the Prince Rupert Port Authority, and others who were able to get the American Company Maher Terminals to invest $60 Million Dollars, and to get CN on board to invest huge dollars, plus the Federal and Provincial Governments. The end result is a Container Port that will probably employ 300 or 400 people over time. This is a success story. They had an idea, a project, and a port.

What do we have???????
..."so where do we go from here?"...
I would recommend that the city of PG start holding on to some money for whatever may come later on.
Makes more sense than throwing it around like they seem to be doing now!
Where do we go from here?

There are two points of view. One is that of the planners ..... the other is that of the doers .......

PG was founded by doers, not planners ... people decided to find new places for fur, trade routes, etc …..

North America was found by doers, not planners. … the same reasons … looking for trade routes and new riches …

Nobody planned to find what is now Edmonton , neither was Calgary founded by a planner back east.

Nobody planned in PG planned to run a railway through here …. No one planned a forestry industry here ….. they happened ….they came together serendipitously ….

In all cases, conditions were right …..

Finding the mother lode is not quite that simple these days. We need to help the opportunities along a little – it is called building infrastructure, whether it is infrastructure for primary industry such as mining and forestry as described by Palopu, or infrastructure which draws people and non-resource based industry that all have the luxury if picking and choosing where they go. Building electrical capacity, transportation capacity, industrial park capacity is not much different than building residential capacity, recreation capacity, and so on.

Once we understand that, we have a much better chance of competing in the 21st century world. The 19th century has long passed us by, as has the 20th …. We need to deal with the realities of today, not yesterday.
Simple lets fill in the pot holes in our streets, build side walks, parks, and trails that make Prince Goerge the place where every new economy business wants to locate and live while they are not working.

Lets build infrastructure and not tax payer operating costs. PG's greatest assest is our great outdoors, and yet we shun it like the plague. Fix the environment, which includes the infrastructure to have industrial sites outside of the city airshed, and suddenly PG is as competitive as any city on the continent for any kind of business you can name. Collect the dividends of this kind of policy within 5 years time.

People need to want to live in PG from other areas before PG will have any kind of success that can be shared by everyone in the community.
So, what industry do you want to draw here? There is a large spectrum open since most industries are actually spread all over the place these days. Boing airplanes are build the world over ... the parts are assembled in the greater Seattle area.

The same holds for cars, pharmaceuticals, homes, etc.

We used to have a small outfit here that made electronic controls used in brake lights for cars. They moved to Kelowna some 15 years ago, not Oshawa.

We make 2x4's here that are transported all the way to the southern USA. Distance to market does not seem to be problem.

The pharmaceutical industry is no longer just located in Maryland or Basel or Cologne or wherever else - it is all over the place with packages made in one place, needles in another, bottles in another, pills in another and assembled in yet another.

There are virtually no limits. Whatever limits there may be will no longer be a limit in a few months or years. The business environment is fluid and competitive. We either become part of it or fold up shop.

We need people with imagination, with business know how. People who know how to run sawmills at a profit have to be able to apply to skills to other businesses. If they do that work by a formula they learned that can only be applied to sawmills, we cannot use them.

Just as people working on the chain some 20 years ago had to learn how to control a process using new electronically controlled "smart" machinery, operations managers will simply have to retool their thinking or be replaced by those who are educated that way from day one.
Owl. There are certain restrictions on your suggestions.

(1) Most lumber companies and other business's are owned by absentee landlords, and run by Managers on payroll who provide a function but have little if anything to do with the actual running of the Company. There are some exceptions like Sinclair Enterprises, which owns Lakeland Mills, Part Owner of The Pas Lumber, and they own a few mills west of Prince George. This company along with a few others have had great success in the forest industry, however thats about all. No diversification.

(2) Most Managers in business these days have been imasculated. They no longer have any authority to do anything. If you go to the Bank for a loan they put your information into a computer and it tells them how much money they are allowed to lend you. They have very little or no authority to change the result. Years ago the Manager would make the decision as to whether or not you would get the money.

If you go the any of the so called grocery stores like **Save On Food** you will on many occasions find the **Manager** stocking shelves, or bagging groceries.

(3) The people who have made Millions of dollars over the years in Prince George have either left, or are still here making money with their old tried and true business, however they are not willing to invest any new money into anything except real estate. If you know of any of our many multi millionares that are investing their money I would like to hear about it.

(4) Entreprenerial spirit in this town is for all intents and purposes dead. People are more interested in looking for Government programs that will fund their vested interests than they are in starting a business that would provide jobs and make money.

(5) Every major project on the books in this town at this time are Government funded, and therefore **useless** over the long term. Governments tax and spend money. They are not a business.

(6) Casino's generate money for the owners and the Government at the expense of local business. If people did not lose their money gambling, they would probably spend it at a Hockey Game, Musical, or at the local stores, this money is now being siphoned off by the very Government that is supposed to be trying to get this town on its feet.

So in essence what you have is people in this town who make **big** money and will continue to do so as long as the trees last, so they do not see any need to change, and those people who would like to make some changes but do not have the money or the wherewithal to do it, and of course last but not least those people who think that the Government will solve all their problems.

No Knight in shining armour will be coming to our rescue in the near future that I can see. You cant build an empire on small talk. We need action, however I dont see anything but inaction.