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Forest Experts Say Two Years Ahead Of Hard Times In Forest Industry

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 04:01 AM

                
Dave Thompson, a Forest Industry Specialist with Price waterhouse coopers, says there has been significant down sizing taking place all across Canada in the forest industry. Speaking from Edmonton Thompson says all across Canada, mills have been going from multi shifts down to one in the hopes of surviving the existing conditions in the forest industry.   "I don’t believe that there is one mill in Canada that is operating in a profitable position” says Thompson.
He says the only bright spot is the pulp industry "Where there has been an increasing demand for tissue and products such as this, while on the other side of the coin there continues to be a decline in the demand for newsprint due to the impact of the internet on the news media There has been a decline in the circulation of newspapers all across Canada, with the result that there has been less advertising going to this venue."
The internet has definitely had an impact on news coverage.
The forest specialist says the problems in the forest industry are not about to turn around soon. "We at Price waterhouse coopers are saying this down turn in the demand will last about two years.  Some companies won’t make it, those that do survive will come out much stronger and be in a much better position given that there will be fewer competitors and a decreased supply of wood available creating much more opportunity for them. "
Meantime another  Forestry Expert says look forward to a significant announcement from CANFOR, "Their announcement last week that they are looking at taking 74 million board ft off the market was just a yawner in the industry and you can look for some major announcements very soon. "
This expert predicts CANFOR will need to cut the production from its inefficient mills. "That may include shutting down some mills entirely. The reason that many of these mills are operating at all is  because of the fear of  losing the workforce if the mill shuts down for too long.’
Industry experts he says echo the thoughts of other  analysts, like those at Price waterhouse coopers, this down turn will be for a minimum two years.  "The USA is teetering on a recession but countries the world over don’t want them to go into one given their country’s exposure."
If the value of the US dollar drops by 25% against other currencies that means instead of the US needing 8 trillion to pay of its debt ,that figure is now reduced to 6 trillion. That is the reduced amount they would need to pay back and no country wants to be in that position, so experts say there is a lot of help on the way to the USA to prevent that from happening.
As for the increasing value of the Canadian dollar against its US counterpart, one forest expert said there is a little part of me that’s says,” Damn that feels good for a change!  Suddenly our dollar is worth more than theirs and that must take a bit of wind out of their sails, then common sense takes over and we have to realize that a dollar worth less compared to the American Buck is in the best interests of Canada. "
The value of the Canadian dollar against the US buck is having an effect in Georgia where last week a lumber mill went from one shift to three because of an increasing demand for their product which suddenly has become a cheaper product.
So  on this side of the border, it is difficult to fathom that a company with , let’s say, $400 million dollars in assets could end up broke.  We asked one  mill owner  how  does a company lose $400 million dollars?  He said it’s simple,  "You lose it one million at a time."

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"I don't believe that there is one mill in Canada that is operating in a profitable position".
If that doesn't scare the hell out of B.C.,nothing ever will.
And still the denial goes on...
I wonder what it will take before people see what is coming for the forest industry here in B.C.,never mind the rest of Canada?
Our politicians have nothing to say either,and that should be telling us something right there!
When they have little to say on a touchy issue,there is usually a reason for it!
The little bandaid approach in Mackenzie will be of naught. I predicted it then, lets see what happens now.
Only a matter of time and towns like MacKenzie will be right back where they were a couple of months ago.
Fact of life, and they will not be the only ones.
Fort St.James has had one mill shut down completely,one in bankruptcy,and one on reduced shifts of 4 days a week.
And no end in sight.
A Superintendant at one of the mills there told me that he see's no light at the end of the tunnel whatsoever.
So what now?
We didnt need a forest expert to tell us this. Times are tough but these small communities have always pulled through. Ex. rember Tumbler Ridge when the mines shut down. Houses were selling for less then 20 grand then the market picked up again and people made a killing off the real estate. The main problem at the moment is government and coroporations are stuck in business model that doesnt adapt to the change in our forest industry. What happens is we need to hit rock bottom so a change can happen in business. Once this happens there will be lots of opertunity for the small entrepreneur with fresh ideas. This is a good example of the "wave" in action we are nearing the bottom of the wave, once we hit the bottom then there is only one way to go and that is back up.
I heard that Dunkly Lumber is doing fine?
I also heard that Dunkley Lumber is doing just fine, thankyou!
Wonder what their secret is?
Their product quality is outstanding compared to other places which has secured their buyers.
Is Dunkley union..? I know they pay good wages.
Get all the tree hugging lefties to show us how to make a lot of money showing tourists our trees. Seeing as we ain't got no whales.
Dunkley Lumbers secret is;

(1) Good Owners
(2) Good Managers
(3) Good Employees
(4) Good Business practices
(5) Good (Satisfied) customer base
(6) Privately owned.

What more do you need?
Obviously they are good at what they do.
Maybe they could hold seminars on how to run a sawmill?
God knows there are some that could use the help!!
Dunkley as well as Carrier ship a lot of their wood to Asia. They are for the most part shielded from the soft U.S. housing market. Canfor has solid contracts with Home Depot and Lowes and has to supply wood no matter what the cost.
I spent most of 2004 working at Dunkley building their new sawmill and was treated very well...hot lunches once and a while...t-shirts.
Harbinger .... the first conceptual switch you have to make is to think not of trees but of forests.

Once you do that, you will discover that people all over the world visit forests and spend a lot of money to do so.

Hunting, fishing, skiing, kayaking, canoing, birdwatching, hiking, lama tours, snowmobiling, etc. etc ……. Think about it …. They all occur primarily in forests.

So, can we increase that use of forests to overcome the reduced tree farming use of forests? Probably no more than we can increase the tree farming use of forests to overcome a reduced tourism use of forests. There is some leeway, but it is not an economic panacea, tree-hugger or not.
Yes they are union
I hear they have a paved scale yard there. Have you seen some of the cream spruce they haul in there. I saw one truck with only 5 logs destin for Dunkley. If they can still afford to haul that wood in there then they are doing pretty damn good!
Dunkley is not doing "just fine".

No mill in Canada that is 100% lumber is making money.
Unless you have pulp to offset the bleeding you are in deep trouble.

"Dunkley as well as Carrier ship a lot of their wood to Asia. They are for the most part shielded from the soft U.S. housing market. "

Both are small suppliers to Asia.
Prices in Asia are determined by global market prices......prices are below cost.

Canfor ships far more volume to Asia than the other 2 companies combined and have offcies in Japan.
Canfor increased "export" volumes by 22% last quarter.
I agree, let's charge the tree huggers to hug the trees. $2.50 a hug, with all proceeds going to buy Canfor shares.

:-)