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Vanderhoof Residents Battle Proposal To Cut Access to Crown Land

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Friday, November 16, 2007 04:30 AM

        

Two Vanderhoof residents ,Jake Wall and Neil Helland, are spearheading a drive to try and make changes to the Land Resource Management plan for their area after 800 people signed a petition seeking changes.

The two men ,who have constructed a billboard entering the community, say that under the proposal, vested interests stand to have exclusive areas private for themselves without the general public having access.

In the Vanderhoof area plan, 247,000 hectares of land are set aside for special uses.

Here are some of the comments from the LRMP:

Moose Lake Road;

Forest roads have been extended in the southwest end of the LRMP area for forest health reasons. There is now roaded access to a commercial resort and guide outfitter territory on Moose Lake. The MOF (Ministry Of Forests) signed an agreement with the resort owner to restrict public use to protect his business interests.

Local First Nations have asked for and have been granted, access to this area, which is controlled by a locked gate. The BC Wildlife Federation has taken exception to this preferential access. The gate has been pulled and re-installed.

The camp in question, Fawnie Mountain Outfitters, says on its web site;

Our guides prefer to take bears in the spring when the hides are best and the animals feeding habits are more predictable. Success rates are very high in the spring. Some hunters will shoot two large bears. They will range in size from 5 to 8 feet. Our guides drive a 4x4 pickup truck to feeding areas, glassing, spot and stalk.

 Many of the people who have signed the petition say that what is essentially a private road allows only those people who have a key to gate to access the area. The land is Crown land they say but it is being treated as private land.

Bitch Lake/ Chief Gray Lake trail.

This trail starts at Hobson Lake which is accessed from the 500 road forest road, approximately 1.5 hour drive south of Vanderhoof. An old cat trail runs from Hobson Lake to Bitch Lake

There is high quality fly fishing and restriction on ice fishing at Bitch Lake to protect fishery values. In the mid 1990 concern was expressed that motorized access to the lake could cause significant deterioration of the fishing opportunities. In the 1996 the MOF used a section 105 order under the forest practices code act to close the trail to motorized access. A sign was placed at the trailhead and subsequent trail clearing was completed to allow only foot access. This closure has been deemed as successful with little or no attempt by motorized users to access the lake after the closure.

Johnson Lake Trail.

This trail starts from the klusklus forest road approximately an hour drive south of Vanderhoof. In the early 1990s local guide outfitter approached the MOF with concerns that ATV use by hunters on the Johnson Lake Trail  could negatively affect his business. In 1992 the MOF used the right of way and provincial trail regulations to designate the trail as non-motorized. A sign was posted at the trailhead and a new bridge on the trail was built so that it could be too narrow for ATV use. There were some complaints by local ATV users, however the decision was justified by pointing out that there was a trail across the road. A trail which approaches the north shore of the lake is a winter road only as it crosses a frozen wetland and is close to vehicles though the access management plans. No complaints in recent years.

MLA for the area John Rustad says he has been involved in about six meetings dealing with the plan. "We have removed about 130,000 hectares of the land from the original proposal. Generally this plan seems to be a balanced plan " says Rustad .  He says there are things that need to be managed "The TFL, mining and the guide and outfitters as well as the local population. The road wouldn’t be there in the first place if it wasn’t for the resources".

Is this plan a good deal  for all of the  people in the Vanderhoof area?  Rustad seems to think so "The plan that is being put forward meets the needs of all of the citizens, while at the same time managing resources. "

Wall meantime says it has been an act of frustration, “ At one point there was a meeting to be held so we had more than 200 people ready to attend when that meeting was cancelled ."  Another  meeting was called for November 10  says Wall, that was the Remembrance Day long weekend.  "It was called for Saturday morning when most people had already made plans and we were expected to attend."   Both he and  Helland say  they  just want to be treated in the same manner as the other people are, "It would be different if the land was owned by many of these people who are trying to prevent access , but it is not. "

Wall says his group  represents the people of the community and yet on February 7th a table meeting was scheduled; "Only Peter Albers from our group was invited. He was to be the spokesperson for the public. He refused to go alone threatening legal action if that meeting was held. It was cancelled. 

In the Land Resource Management outline, the proposal says the move is for tourism and a recreation experience of remoteness. The report says hunting excesses or frightened wildlife have also been identified. Experientially, the noise, the fumes, potential speed as well as the effects on trails conflicts with non-motorized users in including hikers, mountain bikers and horseback riders. The report says this problem extends to winter use as well.

The report also states that 70% of the heli-ski participants are from the USA 20% are from Europe and 10% are from Canada. 42 % of the snow cat skiers are from the US while 51% come from Alberta and BC. The report goes on to say that they are generally in conflict with Snowmobilers.

"If you read the comments on the petition" Wall says "it is plain to see what the people of this region want and that is to be treated like residents of BC first."


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Sounds like England. In the near future we'll all be sitting in the house watching TV as all crown land will be unaccessible to the general public. Snowmobiliers will kick out of the mountains, fisherman off of the lakes, hunters out of the bush.
This is quite common in this province already. Guide outfitters figure they own the whole province. They still need to remember that they operate on crown land wich is owned by the people of BC.
Why doesn't the sign include foot traffic that uses performance enhancing drugs and anyone under the age of 55? That should close off the whole province.

On the other hand business leaders like Ava Maria that signed the ForestEthics petition on Caribou might be upset about including enhanced bodies in the exclusion.

The LRMP is a left over from the NDP days and should be scrapped. It is a very aggressive forum that attracted individuals with frustrated personal agendas. As a result the LRMP is a hodgepodge of impositions that reflect the utopia of the people that had the time or inclination to attend the LRMP.
Ripping up the LRMP would be a slap in the face to the participants, which is entirely appropriate considering who made them God.
I really don't see a problem here. These areas are not restricting public access, only restrictions to those who would rather ride than walk. Think about it folks a guide/outfitter has an area where he makes his lively hood where there are now no public roads. A road is built and now every Tom Dick and Mary shows up and blows away his living. Hey you can and always could walk in.

I find the racism angle being played again, interesting. Moose Lake road, now that a road has been built the natives want and are given access. Hey walk like everyone else and your ancestors.
The governments main incentive here is primarily money. They see this as a cash cow selling off wilderness back county to special interest groups. They have been actively selling these tenures to Guide Outfitters, Fishing Lodges, Eco Tour Companies, Wilderness Adventure companies and anyone else who is prepared to pay for the exclusive rights to certain areas. This is why there signs all over the back country prohibiting access with motorized vehicles. Most of the areas that are closed to vehicle access you will find some sort of operation in there whether it be guide outfitter or fishing lodge etc. Prior to these LRMP changes the existing back country trails trails were mainly kept open by locals and folks on quads going hunting, site seeing or fishing. The amount of hikers and bird watchers on these trail systems could not prevent 100 yards of it from becoming overgrown and impassable let alone the whole Grease Trail or any other such trail. Oh by the way these regulations do not affect the natives. They are free to roam where ever they like by what ever means the they wish to use.

It just so happens that the very things that draw the lucrative American & European tourist and hunters to these areas are the same things that have been drawing us there as well. And it belongs to us. We are the ones who pay the taxes.

As more and more Adventure Tourism tenures are sold off more and more areas will become out of bounds to the average local citizens unless you have $12,000 - $20,000 to spend on a big game hunt.

If these Guide Outfitters, Fishing Lodges and Adventure Tour Outfits want to do there thing back in our back country. NO PROBLEM... But don't tell us where we are going to go. You will have stiff opposition.
This is a huge problem in BC. Not only are the trails being blocked to local use, but so are lakes and access boat launches to the rivers and lakes. Its getting to the point where you have to break the law to enjoy BC's outdoor wilderness.

IMO the blocked access is designed to facilitate poaching by the tour guide outfitters at the expense of our wildlife and locals.

If I had more time I'd give a list of details a mile long just in the PG region alone. It has to stop and I for one would not trust John 'TILMA hero' Rustad to be the one to have an open descussion on the matter let alone do what is right for the liberty of the citizens he represents.
Chadermando: I will be doing the website for the bcbackwoods.ca group. As this is totally a volunteer effort by myself and others who are concerned I have not had time to get the website fully completed. I hope to have a good deal of it done and up by the end of next week but I would appreciate hearing about any list of details that you might have or anyone else has for that matter. This is not only happening in the Vanderhoof region but all over the province.
We hope the website will shed some insight on what is going on to our back country. Maybe we can get some new ideas on how to fight this problem. You can reach me from the email link on the website. www.bcbackwoods.ca
Chadermando: I will be doing the website for the bcbackwoods.ca group. As this is totally a volunteer effort by myself and others who are concerned I have not had time to get the website fully completed. I hope to have a good deal of it done and up by the end of next week but I would appreciate hearing about any list of details that you might have or anyone else has for that matter. This is not only happening in the Vanderhoof region but all over the province.
We hope the website will shed some insight on what is going on to our back country. Maybe we can get some new ideas on how to fight this problem. You can reach me from the email link on the website. www.bcbackwoods.ca
Quaddin, I can't bring up your website at the above address?
http://www.bcbackwoods.ca/index.html

Works.
Any business that is operating on crown land is responsible for that land and are 100% liable for any issues arising in that area. The business owner works his ass off to build a business and create jobs, and as seamutt pointed out, the public thinks they have access to tear up the land and destroy what they want, causing damages or safety issues. The public can walk onto crown land at any time, providing they heed warning signs, but racing around on ATV's or snowmobiles tends to cause problems for most of the controlled recreation area type businesses, not to mention endangering the business's visitors or the riders themselves. Then, if someone hurts themselves, you can be damn sure they're not gonna sue the people of BC who own the land.
"Any business that is operating on crown land is responsible for that land and are 100% liable for any issues arising in that area."

This is totally untrue whatthefritz. A business operating in an area is only liable for their own operation and they usually carry liability insurance to cover their operation.

"The business owner works his ass off to build a business and create jobs, and as seamutt pointed out, the public thinks they have access to tear up the land and destroy what they want, causing damages or safety issues."

First of all you are assuming everyone on an ATV runs around like raped apes ripping up the country side and destroy things. This is as absurd as me thinking that all hikers are tree huggin', tofu fartin' liberal faries. The vast majority of folks on those trails are the locals who live in the area and other folks who are going in fishing or hunting or camping. If it were not for the quads, horses,and other forms of transportation in the back country there would be no place to hike. There is not enough hikers on those trails to keep them open. I have been using some of those trails for years and I don't rip up the area. If you have been on any of them you can not get very much speed up anyhow. The trails are too rough.

I think what most people who use those areas are pissed off with is the closer of trails that they have been using for a long time when you know for a fact that the area was closed off to benefit some business interest other than logging. Mainly guide outfitters, fishing lodges and so on. We don't have any trouble with these folks carrying on their businesses but they must realize that they are not the only ones who use those areas.
They should not have motorized vehicle access to the exclusion of every one else. If you think these businesses operating in those areas don't have quads well think again.

As for hiking in ya that is a real option if I want to go 30 miles back into the Dean River for a week or something like that.
I live in the country so I could if I wish buy some horses again and pack in but what about the folks who live in the towns. How to they keep a string of horses in their back yard to get into these areas.

I have come across different folks running businesses in the bush and usually I try and stay out of there way unless I need assistance. Most of the time they are glad to see you anyhow. Most of those trails are old trails and they were there long before the different outfits were out there. Everybody used them so to start closing them off is not the way to go.