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No Conflict of Interest At P.G. City Council

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Thursday, November 22, 2007 04:10 AM

        

City Council Chambers  packed during last night's public hearing  about  Friendship Lodge rezoning appplication

Prince George, B.C. –Councillors and the Mayor of Prince George say they are not in any conflict of interest when it comes to  dealing with an application to rezone a piece of property for transitional housing for the homeless.

During last evening’s public hearing on the rezoning application for friendship Lodge (see previous story)  allegations were made that Councillors Debora Munoz, Don Zurowski , Murry Krause, and Mayor Colin Kinsley were in conflict because of their  involvement with  other  entities  they  had ties to.

While Mayor Kinsley said the allegations were serious, he did not want to deal with them during  the  public hearing.  When the hearing closed, he and the Councillors responded to the allegations. 

Here is a full transcript of their comments:

Councillor Don Zurowski:   It was presented that I may be in conflict of interest because I am the Chair of the Hospital District for the Northern Health Authority.  I am not.  I am in fact the Chair of the Hospital District for the Regional District of Fraser Fort George and it plays a management role of the investment made through land based taxation, in partnering to cause capital investment with Northern Health in this region but there is no reporting influence from us to them simply in the fact that I am managing and playing a role representing the ratepayers of this region to make certain they get value.  Its part of my job as a Councillor, and as a Director with the Regional District of Fraser Fort George.

The other point that was made about conflict of interest is that my wife, of 27 or 8 years, I should know that, 28 years, is an administrative and clerical employee of B.C. Housing.  She is not a strategic employee, and her employment there is not at risk regardless as to which way I vote on this issue.  That is not her role with B.C. Housing and I clearly disclosed that at first and second reading, and I could have done as some of my Council colleagues could do, I could have chosen to leave Council Chambers.  This is a  difficult decision and the community is divided.  The easy thing to do is to leave Council Chambers, but I am doing what I was elected to do and  I am  going  to sit here and make the difficult decision  that’s in front of us when we meet next.  I make no apologies for that, it’s the job I was duly elected to do and I will do it on December 3rd.

Councillor Deborah Munoz: Northern Health is my employer and I also sit on  the Committee for Community Partners Against Homelessness.   I have never once  thought that I was in a conflict on any health issue that has come before our community..I was  elected to consider the health and well being of  everybody in the community and in now way am I  gaining  any personal or pecuniary  interest from any of the work that I did that’s near and dear to my heart, that’s why I ran  in the first place.  So I feel  strongly about  doing  what  I was elected  to do, and that was to represent the entire community of Prince George, and in no way am I going to step down because there are many issues  that are  health related that come before local government and I would have to step out more than I am here.  On that note I will continue to do what I was elected to do, and carry on.

Councillor Murry Krause:   I saw that list of things I was involved with in the community and I thought that was one hell of a resume of community involvement, and I’m sure not going to apologize for it.  I’ve been doing this kind of work for 30 years and I am not going to stop doing it now because I am a City Councillor.  I will continue to do it because all of us are looking for solutions to make our community better.  I will not stop, I will  not excuse myself from any process, I will be here at the table to  vote and debate this issue on December  3rd,  I will not apologize.

Mayor Colin Kinsley:  I am on the Premier’s Task Force for Homeless, Addictions and Mental Illness and I’m proud of it.  I’m very proud that our Premier recognized that we had an issue in Northern British Columbia,   was placed there to represent Prince George and our region I went there  with a very good argument, with the help of Councillor Krause, Councillor Dezell, our Staff and  28 service agencies in this City, we received instant money for five beds for youth, we received  money for cold and wet weather strategy that took  people out of the cold, we had warm blankets, we had mitts. We had sock, I’m not apologizing for that,  We got  I think 4 million bucks  for a project that  would address some of the homelessness issues, and I’m certainly not apologizing for that.  In fact, I’m quite pleased our wishes were granted, at least partial, we have a long ways to go as has been mentioned tonight. 

On the New Hope Situation near the Italian recovery situation that’s a very very unique idea and worth a lot of attention and the champion for that is Lorne Mayencourt from Vancouver, we have been friends for some time, we actually share a passion for fast cars.  He asked me to be a local champion and to do some work with my Regional District friends and see if this is something that would be welcomed in this region and I indicated I would be a Champ.  I  don’t sit on the board of directors, I’ve given opening remarks at a couple of events  that we’ve held  here to show my personal support and by extension the involvement of this Council  on making a further decision on the level of support they would like to offer.  And all of the things we do to make  our communities better, we often get into these accusations of conflict of interest, and as has been pointed out   we collectively are involved in  so many issues, that we wouldn’t be able to conduct the business of this City  and so its unfortunate that happened.  That takes care of us, but I am very concerned about the accusations about our staff.  They are professional, exhibit integrity and commitment to this community each and every day regardless of the proposal before them and there is a lot of misinformation there, there is no conspiracy.  I’ve been elected to this Council  since 1984, I’ve been your Mayor, this is my 12th year, I worked with many staff  members over those 20 plus years, and I can tell you they  are the best… 

…….This is not the first time the community has been divided on an issue, like Moxie’s  Restaurant, my god, Moxie’s Restaurant, the town’s gone to Hell in  a hand basket.   These are the things we deal with. We are professionals.  We sit here and take the input and we make a decision based on  what we think is the best for the community,  There is no conspiracy, just heart and soul looking at  an issue, and there are going to be  people who agree with you and some who don’t.


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Boy, those councillors were ready for that conflict issue!
Like I have always said,...it's a done deal and PG citizens really don't get say in it!
I also notice they sure like to pat themselves on the back!
There is nothing wrong in a politician detailing their record. During an election we hold them to their record, and they should be entitled to brag about it.

This personal attack on elected citizens is clearly done solely to try and discredit them by someone who does not agree with what they are likely to approve. Rather than use such extremely serious accusations as a crass political ploy, the woman concerned should lay an information with whatever agency is responsible for dealing with such matters. Let her put her money where her mouth is.
In practice, there is no conflict of interest at City Hall unless the excuse of conflict can help a Counilor bow out of a tough or controversial vote. They tend to get really loose with the words "perceived conflict of interest" when it suits them.

But when someone's friend needs his casino...
I think they should pack the whole operation up to Ridgeview Drive
One of the things we must not forget is that those living in “suburbia” is that they have the ability to "hide" their various problems, whether it is loss of a job, substance abuse, since they have much more access to the resources of family support, friends, money, living space, etc.

When there is a marriage breakdown, the daughter can come home with the grandchild and mom will take care of the child while daughter looks for a job. There is a place to live, food on the table, few worries other than the emotions of a marriage breakup.

The same goes for substance abuse and the socio-economic effects of that. Some even have money to send the member(s) off to a multi weak “retreat by the sea” … and if it doesn’t work the first time … off they go again.

The shelter is intended to deal with those individuals who are unlucky enough that they do not have their own network of support in place. This is the social safety net our society has put in place.

I think that there is merit in locating such a facility close to transportation and the services they need. Unlike those people in suburbia, those people cannot step from their hallway into the garage, get into the car, and drive to the counselling office for assistance with their problems, the grocery to pick up food, etc.

The more centralized their warm digs are, the easier it is for them to cope.

To me this is not a NIMBY problem. Such a facility is best located centrally purely from the point of view of functionality. That being said, Queensway and 17th is not the only such “central” location.
A "room of one's own". How fortunate we are to have one.

I heard Olive Godwin say last night that the "street" people can sleep in a shelter overnight (if a bed is available) but that they then have to spend their daytimes on the street.

A "room of one"s own" for these people at least gives them a chance to call something their own. Or is it?

To walk a mile or even a day and a night in someone elses shoes is not given us but we all can stretch our imaginations to see what it could be like to be a street person.

"A "room of one's own". How fortunate we are to have one."

Well said Foo738.

I had the opportunity to listen to Judy Graves speak on such a topic during June of this year in Kelowna.

Judy Graves is the Housing Advocate for the City of Vancouver. She has a wealth of experience in approaching street people in Vancouver with an offer of arranging shelter if the person is agreeable.

A room with a lockable door is what most people want.

Judy is able to assist a person with expedited access to shelter by assisting with all the steps and stumpling blocks in the process.

Google "Judy Graves" for information on programs that she is involved with.

Judy Graves would certainly be an excellent resource person to do a presentation in Prince George.
I still wonder if this is the right location/neighborhood for such a thing. It is too close to available drug supply.
I would venture to guess that drugs are available in every part of the city, not only in that area. Look at all the crack shacks etc. that are being busted. It is not only there.
I really appreciated the Millar-Connaught residents who spoke on the human rights aspect of this zoning debate. How many of us have to face this kind of opposition when we want to build in or move into a neighborhood? Personally, I can't ever recall such an experience when I have been in the market for a home.

I am troubled by misinformation when it is used to either attack people's fundamental rights, humanity or integrity, and was disappointed when I witnessed these tactics last night.

I was proud, though, of our community - all sides had an opportunity to present their views, but many also recognized that this is a fundamental breach of people's rights to live where they choose. Thank goodness for democracy.
Human rights , democracy , The Miller Connaught area residents have a fundamental right to express our concerns . Tactics they were there.
Interesting scenario about the lady with the daughter that was mentioned.
On Wednesday I spoke to a lady I only knew slightly at the Pine Center, who also had a drug addicted daughter about 19.
(it may have even been the same lady,who knows!)
She was very much in favour of the location and really wants to find somewhere safe for her daughter to live.
(I am pretty sure there was more to the story than she was telling...)
I asked her why she didn't have her daughter living at home where she would be safe?
She told me that she couldn't have her there because she could not be trusted,was usually out of control, and was too hard for her to handle.
She also had other children around and didn't want to subject them to the stress.
She also said it would be easier for her daughter to get around at the Backpacker location?
Did she mean downtown?
That about says it all doesn't it?
Farm the kid out somewhere else rather than deal with it.
And that kid that cannot be trusted and is out of control...
Great.
This is what will be coming to the neighbourhood!
Sorry, but as much as I would like to see these people get help,this is not the way to go!!
Too damn close to the bad influences and that IS a major deciding factor.
That and disrespect for the people who live in the Millar/Connaught area and pay taxes!
I wonder if the owners of that "Clubhouse" on Fir are complaining about having their customers hanging out so close.
What we need is an actual treatment facility to help people beat their addictions and "transition" them. This project is a joke and in the end all the Prince George citizens are going to foot the bill and deal with the fall out.

If this gets passed, how can we respect any of our council members when we know we've been misled, lied to and just plain deceived?

For the mayor to compare this with Moxies just shows the absolute lack of care and concern for such a major problem in our city.
This council seems to be a whiz at creating locations for pawn shops. Baldy Hughes would be too far from town.
The city repesentatives rebutals on the conflict of interest issue clearly demonstrates their lack of integrity - is this a reflection on how they represent and promote Prince George on our behalf?
These rebuttals also clearly demonstrate their arrogance toward the public,particularly with Colin Kinsley and Krause.
If anyone is in a conflict of interest position,it is Murray Krause.
How could he NOT be?
Like moths attracted to ther flame, just snuff the candle.
I just read over Krause and Kinsley's closing comments. I guess they have the right to toot their own horns but I have to wonder if they represent the entire community. Did they forget that the Miller Connaught areas are also in the community they represent. Murray says he will debate the Issue on the 3rd of Dec. At the council meeting on Nov. 21st, what happened? He never said a word. He did not ask any questions of the proponents of this project nor anyone else. He sat there as though he had already made his decision before any presentations were brought forward. Is the public hearing closed or can there be further presentations made to Council at the meeting on the 3rd of Dec. concerning the Backpacker issue.
Moxies...much better that a pub.

Better for the young crowd anyway. Go there on any Saturday night for a coffee on the righthand side. I saw kids passed out and face down on the table. It's out of hand totally. Last Saturday night I saw over service like WoW! Kids can really get hammered at Moxies, whereas at pubs they would get the boot. Last month $100,000 in fines were collected against pubs, didn't hear of one restaurant getting a ticket. Most big chain restaurants sell more liquor than pubs can in today's new kiddy market.
Backpacker is a done deal.

Next time vote, if you don't like it. People voted in social workers, they aren't going to change now. How many on council don't get a government cheque?

Not enough to prevent this social work from going ahead full steam.