WHY CAN'T OUR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER TELL US WHERE TO BUILD A D.G. ROUTE. PASSING THE BUCK AGAIN IN CASE THERE IS A MISTAKE.NOBODY CAN LAY BLAME BECAUSE THE CONSULTANT TOLD THEM WHAT TO DO. I AM TIRED OF PAYING TWO PEOPLE TO DO A ONE PERSON JOB.

$56 thou to look at and muse at a map? Hate to dumb it down, but isn't that what someone is studying to figure out a route? Probably studied by a woman cause guys don't read maps. Right?

giterdun can you please turn off your caps lock. It is abrasive to read. Merry Christmas

Do the consultants in P.G. not want the work or are there no consultants here? It would seem that people from Prince George would know more about what people from Prince George need.

I agree with giterdun's post.

We seem to have a city council that is study crazy.
I am surprised they haven't had a study to see if a study could study the study before they study it.
Now that has been said what is this about all the studying.

I think the study should be in advance of the building of the Cameron Street Bridge as the Bridge connects with First Avenue, Carney and Fifth which will still have hazardous goods running through the City.

The proposed bridge is in the wrong location. Until a proper hazardous goods route is designed it is just throwing away money.

Witout building any new roads, the Dangerous Goods will be handled very much the way they are now. Problem is I dont think anyone really knows what is being handled and how.

Once the consultant gets all the information from the outbound shppers, inbound receivers, and through shippers, then it is a simple matter of routing and signage.

The end result will be;
(1) Highway 16 from Edmonton to Old Cariboo Highway and then 97 South or 97 North to Highway 16 West or BCR Industrial Site.

(2) Highway 16 from Edmonton to 1st Avenue to Cameron St Bridge to 97 North, and to the pulp mills.

(3) Inbound from Vancouver would be Old Cariboo to Highway 16 thence East to Edmonton, or 16 west to first Avenue and thence to Hart Highway and Pulp Mills. Traffic for BCR Industrial Site would go directly down 97 North and traffic for west would probably loop off the new bridge to 16 West.

(4) Trucks from BC Rail Industial Site, and the Industries from the Pulp Mill road would use some combination of the above routes in reverse.

There will be actually very little difference from the way this traffic presently moves, except for putting up signage.

Could someone in Prince George have done this study ? Of course. We pay big bucks to people at City Hall to do this type of work , however they always seem to contract it out. You can afford to do that when you overtax people and seem to always have a surplus of funds and know where to get more.

In any event the routes provided above are free.

You are missing one thing in the study Palopu .... your stuff is relatively obvious (with some more clarity here and there) and not worth the time it takes to write.

Read what this says: "Opus and Hamilton will look at current dangerous goods travel routes, travel patterns that have been proposed in the past, and the TRAVEL PATTERNS NEEDED FOR THE FUTURE."

They will need to look at such characteristics as origin-destination; frequency; quantity; cargo characteristics/risk; changing land use patterns; etc. They will then plug that into optimum route, given interface with other transportation system patterns both present and projected, and determine the best fit giving consideration to risk, cost, funding opportunities, relocation opportunities, etc.

The only thing I wonder is we just went through a transportation study and I am wondering why the heck this was not part of that. How can anyone do a transportation study without dealing with industrial traffic and breaking out the dangerous goods aspect of industrial traffic? So it might have been $10,000 more …. But in no way that phenomenal amount. They would have had 80% of the information they needed.

It’s like going to a store to buy the ingredients for a Xmas turkey dinner and forgetting the turkey.

No matter which way one slices it, a bunch of turkeys continue to run the show.

;-)

I hate paying consultants with our tax dollars to tell our politicians what any elected leader with a proper staff should be able to advocate on their own.

Foo is right the first step is to determine the dangerous goods route, then plan where to put the roads and bridges to make the connections.

I think Kinsley is just paying for a second opinion, as its clear he has already decided with his infratructure wish list, he just knows its flawed IMO and so he is paying $60,000 to have someone else present his plan.

Owl. It all comes down to where you think this burg will be in 50 years and what new industry if any will locate here.

My prediction is we will have the same or less industry, the same or less dangerous goods, and if the last 30 or 40 years are any indication we will use the same highways we are using now, with the possible exception of a cut off from Hiway 16 East behind the Airport to connect with 97 North/South, and 16 West.

There is nothing to indicate that PG will ever get any larger than it is, however there is plently of evidence that it will get smaller.

Get used to the idea.

Did I say anything about the city getting bigger, as in population? I heard nothing of the sort.

Peden hill is not an acceptable road for the amount of commercial transport traffic it gets. Neither is the intersection of 16/97 acceptable for the amount of commercial traffic. 16 and Domano/Tyner is the worst intersection we have. That too is partially due to the volume of traffic, including commercial traffic.

It does not take a city to grow in population for changes to be required as time passes due to new standards or demands by the population for standards to be consitent from one part of the province to another.

Thus, in order to get the same standard of air quality that others in Canada expect, we may have to relocate some industry, for instance. We may have to remove as much diesel transport from the bowl as possible. That in itself will create change in land use and movement of activity.

Those who think that "improvements" and changes only occur with a rise or fall in population know very little about urban and regional planning as communities change over time.

There are communities like that in North America which have not changed much in population size for decades but have had transportation and other improvements. There are even more examples in Western Europe which has grwon at a considerably slowr pace than North America since the second world war, but have grown considerably in ammenities and quality of infrastructure.

I was born in a city of 1 million. That city is still that size today. The ammenities in that City 10 years before I was born and those that the city has today are like night and day.

So, get used to it, improvement in quality not only can happen but does happen even with a stagnant population. Travel a bit and open your eyes. The world is an interesting place.

;-)

Study, study, study. With all the sudying it seems the City reps should be getting smarter. But waut a minute...they are paying someone to do their homework for them. No wonder their still dumb.

Dangerous goods?

During the CN collision and derailment on the edge of Prince George last August, CN wasn't keen to admit whether any of the tankers were carrying dangerous goods.

What's the plan for getting that kind of information from passing traffic in the future?

There are only the existing routes for trucks to get in and out of the city.
That will not change with a study.