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Ice Jam Expert Updates Council

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Monday, January 07, 2008 08:42 PM

Prince George, B.C. - After viewing the  ice jam on the Nechako   River,  ice jam expert Paul Doyle  has reiterated the message he delivered before Christmas.  There is little that can be done, and the City will have to "ride it out".

"You want the good news first or the bad news?" Doyle asked Council.

"I will choose to go with the good news first:"

"Briefly, the ice cover is complete  upstream  from Isle Pierre. That is good news"  says Paul  Doyle .  "The only open reach  of the Nechako is a little upstream from Isle Pierre and the border ice is slowly coming in from both sides, and  will lead to less frazzle ice coming into Prince George."

The stream flow in the Nechako is going down says Doyle which will alleviate the high water levels.  "It is too bad it's taking so long, but it is  going in the right direction."

Now the bad news:

There is still plenty of  frazzle ice being generated in the open section of the Nechako, and its arriving in decent quantities on a daily basis.

The  water level in the main body of the jam isat  the highest levels it has ever been, The end result of the condilations is  a thickeing of the jam.  That means  bigger problems for peopleliving on either side of the river.

Further bad news, says Doyle, is that  the consolidations have, in two instances, punched out into the Fraser River, but that has not resulted in any lasting improvement in the situation.  The 200 year flood plain  has been  surpassed, says Doyle, and that's apretty good indication this ice jam still packs a good punch.  "There is nothing I have seen that would suggest this situation is going to  end any time soon. What you have already seen three times,  you are likely to get again,"  that means a consoldiation of ice,and  a surge of water levels.

Doyle says an  extended period of cold weather will thicken the existing jam and would prevent further contraction and serious high water levels "The problem then becomes if you do have another period of warm weather, which willweaken the ice jam cover,  you could get something worse than you've already had."

Doyle says because of climate change we can expect this kind of problem  more often,  and it will become worse than it has been in the past.

Doyle says the City  staff  have been doing a good job,and that the current "line of defence" is the right line of defence, however, he says there needs to be more, "Specifically,  you need to install, proper, costly dikes  along that stretch of Nechako."


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Would the air pressure under a large hovercraft break floating ice ? These things can weigh hundreds of tons, and since the air being forced underneath is exerting enough force downward to lift and carry all this weight, wouldn't that be the force exerted on the ice, and wouldn't it be a pretty good ice cracker if we started downstream on the Fraser, and worked our way up to the Nechako, making a channel as we go to "float" the ice away and down the Fraser?

Yeah, I know some of the ice is probably resting on the bottom of the river, but the water is going under it somewhere in a channel, and since these things can "fly" over water, ice, land etc. it wouldn't be too hard to follow that channel IMO. Maybe spray freezing to the skirt and undersides would make the craft too heavy in short order, and therefore useless in freezing conditions ??

Yeah, I know there's probably eighty six other reasons why this is a dumb idea, but somebody's gotta come up with some idea besides building "sides" along the river for the ice to build up against until its thick enough for the water to flow over the top again. Theoretically, if the elevation of the river is (say) 50 feet higher at Miworth, or Isle Pierre, than it is at PG, and you build dikes 45 feet high in PG, and the ice jams up against these dikes and packs right to the river bottom, then the river will still flow over the top because its still DOWNHILL to PG until you build the dikes higher than 50 feet !!

And yeah, someday we gotta dredge the sand bars away from the mouth of the Nechako, so the ice can't hit bottom and "stick" at least in one deep channel, but that's probably next summer's project at the very least, and for now, I don't see us getting out there this month or next, unless you put a long arm excavator on the deck of the hovercraft to loosen the ice here and there where its stuck on bottom, or whatever.

Anyway, just my own muses and ramblings.

palomino


Isn't it interesting that we can get to the moon ... at least 40 years ago we were able to .... and we can replace people's heart and they can live ...... and we can heat up sand and gravel to extract the oil, but we can't find a way to melt a few tons of ice .........

Some things we do are still pretty darned primitive .....

This so called expert was useless IMO. It almost looks like a conspiracy to let the downtown flood?
Well Mr. Doyle, here's my take on the situation, no charge, and if I can be of furthur assistance, please ask, and I'll do what I can -- also free of charge.

It dosen't matter how high you build up the sides of a bathtub, it's still gonna overflow --- IF YOU DON'T PULL THE PLUG, or shut off the water !!! Now, since shutting off the water (Kemano - Kenny Dam), may not be an option, or diverting the river, --- then we're just gonna have to PULL THE PLUG !

Water will flow downhill no matter what we want it to do, and if it can't go through an obstacle, or under it, then its gonna go over top of it !! No brainer this one !!

Dikes are only part of the solution to temporarily protect selected areas, but sooner or later percolation or backwash will mean big pumps are needed in those areas too.

So get on with the only remedy we got ---- PULL THE PLUG !!

palomino
trench it this summer will solve it!