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PEP To Get Hot Water Plan Today

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Thursday, January 10, 2008 04:22 AM

Prince George, B.C. – The City of Prince George is expected to deliver it’s proposal   to melt the Nechako River Ice jam with  a hot water treatment  to the Provincial Emergency Program today. 

For the project to be approved and receive funding from the Province, Provincial Emergency  Program  Director Jim Whyte  says  the  project will  have to pass several  hurdles.  “It will have to be costed  out  and will have to have the approval of the regulators (Federal Fisheries, and Provincial Ministry of the Environment) and it has  to have a strong likelihood of success “.

The  idea  would have  hot water  diverted from the pulp mills and injected into the  ice jam in three spots, one at the mouth of the Nechako, one  half way  to the Cameron Street  Bridge, and one  at the Cameron Street Bridge.  The 20 degree Celsius water would be injected at a rate of 500 gallons per minute.  The current flow rate of the Nechako is 250 -285 Cubic metres per second.

When it comes to mid and longer  term  solutions,  Whyte says there are  a number of options,  including  taking a long look at gravel removal from the Nechako River to  maintain the channels,  and permanent diking.  The  real difficulty is trying to  design a protection plan for an  area that already exists “In some cases there may not be enough room between the river  and the  industry for a dike, so  there may be some people who  are going to find themselves on the wrong side of the dike. “  All of the efforts to mitigate future flood damage   will require funding, and  the Province has  committed  $100 million dollars for projects that will mitigate flood damage.

Whyte says there is some encouraging news “The  latest jam compression did not  see  any surge of water,  so that says to me the water has carved out channels under the ice, so  maybe Mother Nature is going to look after this.”

    


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And when the pulp mills close or run out of fibre?......lets come up with something that makes no sense and costs more money.....this all has to be a joke...I call BS.
Me too. I call BS as well.

IMO if it rains next week and the ice compresses again at this level it could quite easily breach the dike or carve a new path. Shipping pipe to the job site and getting it in the ditch at those distances is not possible.

One way to melt the ice today would be to line up a few fire trucks with their water cannons along the shore line somewhere and strategically place liquid calcium so as to melt open a channel in the ice. That stuff is good for at least minus 20 and they use it on the roads next to streams all the time. With the fire truck hoses you could place it out quite a distance, but really all you would need is 50 feet on the north side of the river and let the river pressure do the rest of the work keeping it open. It would be a fun job as well... a lot funner then building sand bags and hoping the river ice jam is going to change its ways.
It would take at least a year to get this all in place.

All this for a two year mid winter flood level?

If BC Hydro buys Alcan's water rights and installs another turbine, the problem is solved.
THIS IS THE WORST ILL CONCIEVED PLAN THAT ANY BUREAUCRACY HAS EVER COME UP WITH IN THE HISTORY OF PRINCE GEORGE. WE SHOULD GET A BACKHOE IN TO DIG THE INSIDE CHANNEL FOR IMMEDIATE RELIEF AND DREDGE THE RIVER IN LOW WATER FOR THE LONG TERM. THIS WILL COST A FRACTION OF THE HAIRBRAIN HOT WATER PLAN. MONEY FROM THE GRAVEL WILL OFFSET THE COST. --TROUBLE WITH MY PLAN IS IT IS TOO SIMPLE AND DOES NOT REQUIRE LENGTHLY BUREAUCRATIC INVOLVEMENT. WE DON'T NEED THE SOCALLED RIVER SPECIALIST (WONDER WHAT HIS COST IS) TO COME UP WITH ALL OF THESE IDIOTIC PLANS. GET A CONTRACTOR IN WITH SOME COMMON SENSE AND LET HIM DO THE JOB.
What is REALLY scary is that somebody at cityhall actually believes this will work!
It isn't even realistic.
I would like to see a solution for all concerned,but this isn't it!!
Grab a barge and tug from Ootsa Lake and put them in the river at the mouth with two big excavators and let them work their way upstream opening up the main channel.
How is doing nothing working out?
JUST HEARD FROM THE GRAPEVINE...THE HOT WATER STUDY SHOULD BE COMPLETE BY SPRING RUNOFF... LOL.
OPEN SUGGESTION TO BRINK FOREST,PAS LUMBER,INTERIOR WHAREHOUSING,COUGER CRANE,GARY YOUNG ESSO,AND ANYONE ELSE EFFECTED BY THIS BULL S41T. WHY DONT YOU GUYS ASSEMBLE SOME EQUIPMENT AND JUST DO THE JOB THAT HAS TO BE DONE. WHAT WOULD THE REPROCUSSIONS BE? I BET IT WOULD BE CHEAPER THE THAN ECONOMIC AND WAGE LOSS IS WITH THE PRESENT CALAMITY. JUST DO IT AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER. ITS EASIER TO APPOLOGIZE THAN ASK FOR PERMISSION.
We'll just talk about it, study it till a decision is made in June, the ice will be gone, but the river will still be high due to spring thaw. Maybe it will all go away by itself.
I think the authorities are waiting for global warming,he he he.
2300 Liters of warm water a minute added to
a flow of 250000 liters a second,has anyone worked this out?
githerdone:..."OPEN SUGGESTION TO BRINK FOREST..."

Excellent ideas, BUT:

NOBODY can DO anything like TOUCH the river without first getting written and signed approval from the herds of bureaucrats!

That's the way she goes.



One sentence. What kind of pipe?
The kind of pipe that is conected to the steamy pile of hot bullsh&t coming from city hall to heat the water for this insane idea!
Oh!! That kind of pipe, eh? Thanks!