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The Challenge Of Transparency In RCMP Investigations

By Michelle Cyr-Whiting

Monday, January 28, 2008 09:56 AM

Prince George, B.C. -     Police investigating police.  It occurs whenever a serious incident, like a shooting death, involves an on-duty officer.

The Vice-Chair of the Commission for Public Complaints against the RCMP (CPC) admits these cases pose a serious challenge in terms of public perception.  He notes, specifically, cases like the police shooting deaths of Ian Bush in Houston and Kevin St. Arnaud in Vanderhoof.

During a visit to Prince George last week, Brooke McNabb spoke about the double-edge sword such cases present.  "Number one, you have to have your really good investigators because these are serious cases involving shootings and so forth."

"So, your pool of the people who have that skill set would be, usually, police officers -- they're the experts at that."  McNabb says the difficulty on the other side, "Is the public perception there is a conflict of interest -- that if police are investigating themselves, they're collecting the evidence and, is somehow that going to be done improperly?"

He says it's that perception problem that the RCMP, other police services, and governments are trying to address across the country right now.

In B.C., the Commission and the RCMP's 'E' Division are running an Observer Pilot Project -- where, as soon as there's a serious event, an independent observer from the CPC is called in immediately.

"A recent example is the tasering case at Vancouver Airport, we were there, literally, within 24-hours as an independent observer watching over the RCMP investigation and ensuring that the team they put in place was impartial."

McNabb says the pilot project is approaching the one year mark and is up for review, but he says initial impressions are that it is bolstering public confidence.  "If it's working well here, we would continue it (in B.C.) and look at the possibility of rolling it out across the country."


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They were there within 24 hours. Well that is very impressive indeed. They could have burried the body in that length of time and all the evidence with it.

Cheers
This is far more than a "perception" problem. Using that word infers that things were actually done properly but the public does not appreciate that. In the case of both Ian Bush and St. Arnaud that is obviously not the case, because in both cases there is clear information that the investigations were not done properly. It is far more than "perception".

With Ian Bush the delay in questioning the killer and allowing his lawyer to check over the questions, then give his permission for them to be asked is blatantly improper and should not have happened, and would not with anyone who was not a police officer.

With St Arnaud there is a clear contradiction between what the killer said and what a police offer testified she saw. One of them is a liar and has committed perjury. We don't lose our brains just because the police try to spoon feed us rubbish.
I feel a lot of sympathy for the police. They have thankless job, the media sensationalizes any mistakes they make. I don't see them getting praise for having to deal with surly lowlifes and rude civilians on the daily basis that they do regularly.

I for one I would like to see the crooks get investigated mercilessly. They would be whining that their rights were being violated. Give me a break. I am tired of seeing the police in hot water all the time.

The police forces in Canada have to deal with horrible people all the time. It seems to me they can't slip up because if they do they get burned at the stake by media and the public.

What anarchy we would be living in if they weren't working for us. They are keeping Canada the great place to live (Even with it's shorcomings!)

The police should be praised by the media sometimes for having to deal with the criminal and surly elements who run afoul of the law. Perhaps some positives would help with the general attitude of the population towards the police forces in Canada.

pgpioneer
Unnecessary deaths are no mistake... 2+3=4 is a mistake. Or the man/woman who puts the uniform/badge on knowing they could never handle the job and fill the shoes of a good officer is a mistake.

An unnecessary death is an abuse of the law, the system, and anything good in this world. They pull the trigger and take someones life unnecesarrily then hope like heck it just all goes away then they should expect to get exposed by the media/public...they are lucky that's all they get. Well Sheremetta looks to be receiving more punishment and he deserves it 100x's more in my view but just knowing he's not wearing the badge gives me some peace of mind. Make room for the officers who know how to do their jobs.
You are correct in pointing out my use of mistake for the taking of a life. Even the most horrible of criminal should not be wiped out unless all avenues for his safe takedown are exhausted.

What I am trying to explain I think is, we in most cases are not privy to the moments leading up to the death of a civlian or officer in some altercation. What I am trying to elude to is the amount of heat an officer gets when trying to defend his life over what seems like the absence of flack any other person gets in these situations.

I have through my life had on occasion to see how the undesirables abuse our legal system by skewing the truth knowingly, they end up making the naive citizens eat dirt. Things havn't changed much which is too bad.

PGP
Not all cops are good at what they do.
That happens in all walks of life,not just with cops.
But,I believe 98% percent of them ARE doing their very best.
Where the problem comes in is when one of the 2% who are NOT good at it screws up.
Then we need complete transparency, but that is not what we always get,and I for one get sick and tired of being told that we just don't "understand"!
We DO understand plain and simple logic and facts, but for some reason,cops don't think that is possible for anyone who is not also a cop.
They also seem to think they should not have to explain themselves or their motives to the public.
That is crap, they do have to explain,and when we see bad investigating and serious time lags as in the Bush case for example,nothing justifies it.
Not only do I want to see the lousy cop held accountable,I also want to see those who tried to manipulate the system to their own advantage or to favour the bad cop,held accountable as well.
We know damn well that they WILL lie to the public if it is to their advantage.
It's the same old story...who is policing the police?
Cops cannot and should not be investigating cops and that needs to change.
The likes of Koester and Sheremetta may very well be in the 2% of cops who are not good at their jobs and that should be dealt with,not covered up by other cops.
If they screwed up once,they can screw up again.
Is it worth taking the chance?
Nobody but nobody, should be trying to whitewash either of these cases, but it appears that is what we are getting.
Keep both these guys and anyone else involved in the spotlight for as long as it takes to get some answers,because both these cases stink and the cops know that!
There is no perception problem. We are perceiving things as they really are, that's the problem. If we would just buy a little more B.S. everything would be fine.

Kind of like pretending to be impressed that someone arrived at an incident in Vancouver, from E-Div HQ in Vancouver, within 24 hours.

How long to Houston,...2 weeks ?
E-Division HQ is about a 10 minute drive from the Vancouver airport. I can't believe the guy is bragging about being on scene within 24 hours. There is the perception problem.
Please people, be more understanding of the complexities of the Observer Pilot Project. The CPC and E-Division, who are already biased in the favor of any officer, must find and wake up a suitable independent observer. That person is brought in and fed donuts and coffee for hours while the cover-up is instigated and manipulated. The CPC and E-Division must now formulate a strategy. First, facts must be gathered, then a media release needs to be perpetuated. The independent observer must then be briefed and instructed on the nature of the situation and what they are and are not able to comment on or investigate. After a thorough and tedious investigation, the results are then again scrutinized for irregularities. Facts need to altered as to provide proper bias and consistency. The findings then are assessed and reviewed by a team of lawyers, the CPC and E-Division to insure optimum liability coverage. A hearing must be scheduled so it can be proven without a doubt that the RCMP were not in question, and that justice, of course, has prevailed. Now I have generously omitted the more complicated decision making that transpires, nonetheless it must be apparent already of the delicate nature of such an inquisition. Slightly sugar coated sarcasm :)
One thing I would like to see is the medical examiner work alone. Nobody should be allowed in the room to influence their thoughts on what and how it happened.
That should be automatic. We shouldn't have to suggest it. The medical examiner should not be working under the scrutiny of observing police officers (tour guides).

What we still need is more independence than "police investigating police". The point of what this guy is saying is that they still want to sell you the idea of "police investigating police". The fact that they send in someone from the complaints commission says that they do not want any neutral observers involved.
If you talk to a cop,any cop,they will tell you on the QT that they do not want "outsiders" investigating them.
The reason they give is because unless you are a cop,you will not understand the complexity of the issues that only cops deal with.
And I can tell you...that came from a cop recently.
All that actually tells me is that we really DO need an outside source investigating cops and that superior attitude confirms that.
Cops are NOT god, and it is time somebody explained that to them.
This will get a lot worse before it ever gets better because now,everyone is watching and waiting for them to screw up.
It doesn't have to be that way but they have no one to blame but themselves.
Transparency? What a joke. The YVR incident took place 3 months ago. Much of the evidence is video. As I write the 4 killer cops have not even been named; all we know is that they are still working, thus their supervisors retain confidence in them.

Vancouver police don't take months before they arrest suspects and targets; they arrest on the spot and usually refuse to receive and consider exculpatory evidence.

As for the YVR evidence, the independent witness - closest to the victim - claims she heard 4 separate 5-second Taser charges, and the video proves this. Clearly, the cops are concocting a whitewash and waiting until public opinion diffuses before they obstruct justice. BC cops are a criminal organization.
During a 2002 session of the Nuraney-commission into police treatment of public complaints, Dana Urban spoke of the OPCC atrocities. Urban left same in disgust in 2000, but then returned after Morrison left in disgrace.

http://www.leg.bc.ca/cmt/37thparl/session-3/pcp/hansard/L20415p.htm