Doesn't sound like the union is the boss anymore. Now the people running the boats are going to have to be more responsible or get fired.

There goes ydpc again, antiunion',you are getting so predictable. If you new the union pay and benifits I get you would just S**t.

Anyhow the union has been fighting for better safety and training for years. Anyone want to bet that Hahn still gets a bonus.

The union has protected hidden these clowns that routinely smoked dope on the job, among other things.

This is a good example of what is wrong with unions. They do a lot of good, but this process has stunk from the beginning.

Go back to your burger flippin job yama Poodle doo doo.

Realitysetsin, let us get this straight, you are saying that the union that is representing the ferry workers has been knowingly protecting workers that are doing drugs on the job, as well as other things. LMAO your funny.
Now go back to your livingroom and do a couple more lines of your own good stuff.

Come on lostfaith...if you think people don't smoke dope on the job and unions don't protect them regardless,you really should get out more!
Unless these smokers have been caught redhanded, the union has no choice but to protect them,and even if they had been caught and fired,the union will STILL go to bat for them.

And another thing,the last time I was on the Queen of the North was a year before it sank.
Out on the aft deck in Grenville Channel,there was the nicest blue cloud of dope smoke you ever saw!
I am sure the ferry crew was aware of it too.
And no,I did NOT see any ferry workers participating in the weedfest,but hey,people are people!
In the real world,it happens all the time.

Lostfaith;

Global TV reported that.

As Andyfreeze says the union actually has a 'duty to represent'. If they don't, the griever can take action against them.

Andyfreeze
Don't get me wrong, I know what goes on. Ive been a union member all my working life. If there is some kind of proof that employees are doing drugs on the job and the union is representing them and fighting for them, that IS a good thing. Same thing if you or I get busted for impaired driving, we get to use a lawyer. If there is proof then your convicted. If there is proof of drug use on the job then these employees WILL lose their jobs with or without union representation.
Realitysetsin just makes it sound like there is proof and somehow the union has stopped any kind of penalty from being administered just because it's UNION. Yes it is the unions job to fight for dues paying members. If there was no one to help
in these fights where would we be? Flippin burgers for minimum wage, 12 hrs a day and no benefits. Thank goodness for unions, (other than CLAC) because of them, most people have a pretty good way of life. Employers are forced to treat employees the way they should be. Not like the way some employers want it to be. That being said, there are some good employers out there that recognize how important their people are and treat them that way. It is also not against the law to smoke pot. So who cares if there were peeps on the aft deck getting high. As long as they were not on duty.

Just because someone is being represented by a union does not mean they are guaranteed to get off scot free.

During the last 14 minutes, they were preoccupied with something....what was that something ?

In 2002, the UK limited the Common Law right of protection from self incrimination. Anyone who holds the lives of others in their hands, should have no protection at all. The Supreme Court of Canada eliminated it for cops in the "O'Hara" case. Unfortunately, 4 years later, Beverly McLachlin protected cops in the "Calder" case. McLachlin was a former Crown attorney.

McLachlin protected her beloved cops, even though "O'Hara" addressed Vancouver' cop concealment of their retaliatory crippling of Michael Jacobsen in VPD's lockup. Canadian cops have been run as Murder Incorporated since "Calder." (Ironically, I lived close to Toronto's 14 Division, when Cst Murray Calder was pressuring young hookers to give him on-duty sex). The Supreme Court rewarded him with; creative exhoneration.

In the Holocaust, Nazis murdered all victim witnesses. A mini-Holocaust re-occurs every time a blue slug shoots a rights-bearer to death. Blame the McLachlin Crime Family whenever you see victims of negligence by protective agents.

IMO 14 minutes is no quicky... they should be charged with second degree murder because of neglect.

There are some very stinky aspects to this sinking and it would almost appear that nobody wants to know the answers as to what actually happened.
I am not a lawyer, but I would think the courts can order these two winners who refuse to talk to testify?
And if they can't,then why can't they?
When this first happened,the rumours coming out of Prince Rupert were rampant, but I do believe some of them were probably true.
The passengers from the ferry,including crew members, had a lot to say to people they knew in regards to what happened.
Now,it seems that no one remembers anything?
So everything that was floating around in Rupert about the sinking was a lie?
Not likely.

Lostfaith;

You keep going back to the flipping burgers for minimum wage with the company treating you like crap scenario.

So these guys bring in a union and make big bucks flipping burgers. You think that solves the problem?

Or does it just make the burgers more expensive to make?

The bottom line is if a company doesn't value it's employees, a union isn't going to fix that. Go work for a company that does value you.

The best route to success and happiness is to develop a skill which makes the employers value you. You won't even have to ask for a raise. You will just get one.

UNIONS are actually hurting the trades right now. There are many companies willing to pay extra to the trades to attract them but they can't due to the Steelworkers agreement. When it comes time to renegotiate the companies as a whole will not go for a large blanket increase because that would not give them an advantage over their competitor, it would just raise their labor costs.

Don't undersell yourself man. You don't need a union.

I think that as long as there is one union competitor around you are better off to work next door, non union.

Lostfaith in myself? Need a union.

Yama.

You made a funny.

Flippin burgers, pumping gas or whatever, if not for unions then most of us would not enjoy the lifestyles we do. You live in some kind of dream world where all non unionized companies treat employees with the respect they deserve and compensate them fairly for what they do?