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China Trip , A Bit Like Sending Meisner To Buy Diamonds

By Ben Meisner

Thursday, March 20, 2008 03:46 AM

        

When City Council opted to give the City Manager Derek Bates and City Councilor Don Bassermann $5 grand each to go to Beijing  in June, while Mayor Colin Kinsley will pay for the trip out of his, "travel Budget”, you couldn’t help but reflect back on just what we got in the way of contracts during  the trip we took to Turin and of course the previous 10 trips we have taken to China to promote ourselves.

I don’t have any trouble in sending someone off to promote the city to try and snag some business for the region.

There are opportunities out there for business , lets try getting an Alberta business to set up in an area where property and labour are far less , where we have a pool of labour waiting to take on a new challenge , but one gets the feeling that this is not warm and fuzzy.

Instead we are in China trying to snag a home run.

Now let’s look at our success so far.

Winton Global heads over there nearly a decade ago to sell modular homes, it cost that company a bundle, the Chinese stole the idea, and began manufacturing, and the company never set foot on that ground again. There is a reason why we have such a high trade deficit with the Chinese, we buy their goods but it hasn’t worked the other way nor is it about to start.

So what do we do?  Well we say we can sell lumber to them, of course that must be tongue in cheek given the fact that the total sales to China in a year would barely keep one small mill in Prince George going. So what are we now told? Here are Councilor Don Basserman’s comments;  

  “Bassermann says one contract, one new foreign student, being able to report the number of significant contacts in Beijing, will all be signs of success.  He says the most difficult thing to report to the community is the necessary relationship building that is crucial to doing business with

Now using Bassermann’s logic it means that if we spend $15,000 dollars and get a student to come to Canada we have accomplished what we set out to do. I do hope that you people heading to the polls will be able to translate that logic to the ballot come election day , because what the good Councilor is saying is that we should be prepared to spend $150,000 dollars to get 10 students , and so on and so on. Add to that of course why in the world you would send the Mayor, City Manager and a Councilor to do education business is a bit like Mike at Michael's Jewelry sending me to buy diamonds. I’d love to make the trip to  if he pays, but don’t expect any good buys cause I don’t know anything about diamonds.  

Of course it is a difficult thing to explain to the community, when you do nothing; it is hard to justify something.

The Chinese are very adept at taking good ideas and running with them. That is what has made them so successful. The problem is that after 10 or more trips to the fountain our elected officials don't  get it !

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.  


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What is the expression "stupid,stupid,stupid.
"...the Chinese stole the idea, and began manufacturing,...

I have Canadian and US patents for a product. After starting a contact with an Asian manufacturer I was informed by them that their busy production schedule would not permit manufacture of it in the near future, but thanks for the information.

Within a half a year a rip-off copy appeared on the shelves of Canadian Tire. The company name on the product was a non-existing company/mailing address in Ontario.

The product was obviously made in China, although there was nothing on it saying so.

No CSA electrical approval, no nothing.

Not wishing to throw money at the problem, I threw in the towel.

Good luck, Colin!
I personally avoid Made in China products because of the lack of quality control. I once had a lamp made in China that, when turned on, melted the glass shade! Talk about house fire potential.

All one needs to do is look at the quality of Made in China clothes offered in some stores and it makes the Salvation Army look pretty dammed good. The China clothes would never last long enough to go to the Sally-Ann. The only way I know to protest this type of garbage-selling is to refuse to purchase. Our City Hall would do much better supporting a "made in Canada" manufacturer - they'd get my business!
The last thing China invented was gunpowder
everything else is a copy .
Well as long as they are not going so they can swap "How to clear the pollution from our breathing air"......ideas.

Oh ugh!
Do any of these people we complain about read Opinion 250?
metalman.
Just want to remind everyone that the way some look at Chinese products now, was the way we used to look at "Made in Japan"; "Made in Taiwan"; "Made in Korea", etc.

Recently I saw products marked "Made in India" and "Made in Dominican Republic"; "Made in Vietnam".

They were sold under the manufacturing names of "Ralph Lauren" and "Timberland". It is called the global market. If one sticks to Canadian made products, there are very limited choices.

We have products with the "Made in Canada" labels. Most of them are manufactured in Quebec and Ontario. The rest of the country is pretty well considered to be the "hewers of wood and drawers of water".

Time to move out of that and compete on the world market with goods and services.

So, the question to our world traders is going to be once more "What are you carrying with you that you can offer?" Is that a big dark secret or will we get to see the wares our panhandlers will be taking with them?
I did not realize that at least 90% of the Xmas trees in the USA are made in China.

http://www.qualitychinagoods.com/about_us.php

Save the local economy .... cut down a Xmas tree this year ..... :-)
I wonder if these guys will notice the difference in Beijing air than the air here in the bowl. Wish I had a travel budget. Oh, yes, now I do come to thing of it. It is MY wallet and I have to buy gas today. I can hardly wait til November.
Hey,when this group comes back,could I get an order delivered?
-2 chicken chowmein
-1 Sweet and sour pork
-2 egg rolls
-1 beef and greens
and oh ya...better gimme a large War Wonton.
...and don't forget the damn napkins!
:-)
Nothing will change in November unless some courageous competent citizens with name recognition enter into the races for mayor and councillors!

People won't vote for candidates who are unknowns! It doesn't matter how qualified they are or how worn-out the incumbents are.

Some things never change.

Hey, I challenge that. If you attended the forums and read the submissions in the Citizen by each candidate you might not have had the "old faces".
I am ashamed that they are going to China. Nations are boycotting the opening because of the situation in Tibet.
I agree about boycotting China because of Tibet.

I hope that if Canada is still in Afghanistan when the 2010 winter olympics happen, those same countries that might be showing their disapproval of that internal conflict at the summer Olympics in China will do so in Canada due to their position to fight what will likely be a long battle.
Foo, I did all that and did not vote for any of the incumbents - obviously others voted differently.

Actually Ben did a very fine job of giving the new faces public exposure!
So owl you say we just walk out of Afghanistan and desert the people there. Sorry to say but the genie is already out of the bottle. That is just what I would expect from the me me me generation.
Seamutt. What was our position on Afghanistan between 1995 and 2000 when the Taliban were in power. Were we willing to send in troops? The fact of the matter was that the Taliban along with Ben Ladin ran the Russians out of Afghanistan and we thought that was a good thing.

We are in Afghanistan because the Americans told us to be there, or suffer the consequences. The education of women, and the bringing of the so called democracy is pure propaganda and is put out for our edification because the truth would be unnaceptable.

The Karzi Government is corrupt. He has Warlords in his Government (From North Afghanistan) that should be tried in the World Court for war crimes. Last but not least Afghanistan is the major supplier of opium to the free world.

There is no case that can be made for our presence in this Country other than Oil, Oil Piplines from the Caspian Sea, and keeping the Russians etc; from returning.

I suppose you think that the Russians fought in Afghanistan for 10 years to bring them Democracy, and womens rights.
We may have gotten off thread here a bit.
Back to the topic thread.

When is Ben getting back with those diamonds?
Using the Basserman theory, if Ben comes back with a small 1/2 carat diamond, his trip would qualify as a sucess.
Good for you Diplomat there were some that studied the candidates' submissions in the last election and you were one of them? We need more informed voters and less big money spent on bad candidates.

When is Ben going for the diamonds?
lol..camoose :)
I found the election format to be a joke. All the forums are the same. a few minutes of sound bites to 1 in 500 of the population in a room, at the best and 1 in 1000 at the worst.

Papers ask the stupidest questions that everyone has to respond to. The way the bridge issue was handled was a total farce. No one is interested in real information. Sort of like Obama. "I have a dream".

Well, the dreams have turned out to be more of the same nightmares.

;-)
Barack Obama is the Tiger Woods of American politics, in my humble opinion.

I would call John McCain a nightmare.

I have a feeling that a lot of these elected ninnies in our burg read Opinion 250. But then again, knowing that it exists, and not reading into it to see what is blowing in the wind, could be very well expected by me and my cynicism.
I would characterize McCain as certain Death.

I characterize Obama as a nightmare, because it could happen, rather than like death, which will happen.

Obama is just another American who think that they are the msaters of the worl, the all perfect country.

In his speech, where he attempted to counter the association with the minister in his church, he said the following words:

"I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that IN NO OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH IS MY STORY EVEN POSSIBLE"

I shake my head at such ignorance coming from an individual with the kind of background he has. He has obviously not picked up any of the international background that he professes to have.

Maybe he should sit down with Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean to share stories. He might also want to visit London, Paris, and many other cosmopolitan cities and countries in the world.

In my opinion it is thinking like that which sets the scene to the creation of the Bushes, Cheneys and McCains of the world.

A fundamental change needs to happen. That will take a few more generations, or a major humbling of the population such as what happend in Germany after the fiasco with Hitler.
"...a major humbling of the population..."

I assume you are talking about the population of America. The humbling may come a lot sooner than a few more generations. Not militarily, but economically, financially. Guns can fall silent when there isn't sufficient money to make enough ammunition anymore.

Funny how everyone is fluently familiar with Hitler and the humbling of Germany and yet seems to have total amnesia when it comes to the likes of Mussolini, Franco, Mao and the greatest mass murderer of all times - *Uncle Joe* - Josef Stalin.

Other prominent warmongers have barely been recognized as such, but given enough time they will eventually also take their proper dishonourable place in history.
Stalin killed over 5 Million Ukrainians in the 1930`s Starved and froze them to death. He hardly got any press coverage.
Lebensraum ...... we still need lebensraum ...

lebensraum for parts of the world to maintain their religious beliefs ..

lebensraum for parts of the world to access more than their share of the resources they require to live according to their wants ....

we have not adjusted yet to sharing the lebensraum required for an ever increasing world population .......

even though the word lebensraum is attributed to Ratzel at the turn of the 19th century, it goes back to other relatively successful civilizations such as the Romans and in more modern times and western territories the North Africans, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Dutch.

It is the notion of lebensraum which resulted in the first migration to North and South America from the Pacific region and the second migration from the Atlantic region.

Virtually all such migrations resulted in the subjugations of the indigenous population accompanied by what we would call at a minimum attrocities and the worst genocide.

The notion of survival of the fittest still holds. That notion includes with it the concept that the end justifies the means.
Every era of history ought to be looked at with a consideration of the conditions that existed at THAT time.

Read the Old Testament and the conquest by the Israelites of the neighbouring kingdoms for the sake of acquiring lebensraum and the establishment of their own empire. It was bloody and it was ruthless, with atrocities and genocide.

Babylonia, Persia, Russia, Japan, China...you already mentioned some of the others.

Today oil is the great treasure to be wrested away from those who legitimately own it.

How did OUR oil get under YOUR ground? The survival of the V8 is at stake, it seems!

;-)
"How did OUR oil get under YOUR ground?"

Exactly!

I think I know how. I think it is God's little gameplan.

Create humans with a competitive temperament, give them different colours so that they have quick recognition of who belongs where and hide the easter egg treasure which will allow them to increase their numbers beyond the normal carrying capacity of the earth they were given under different parts of the earth.

Then wait to see what happens; whether sandbox lessons of their early childhood could be unlearned when it comes to the survival of the species.

;-)