Same ol', same ol'.

"Turn the bush over to the union, throw out the free market, make the loonie worthless, hang Jimmy, lets beat up an on looker, it wasn't our fault the ferry sank... etc etc."

Yawn..zzz.

all we ever here about is the poor mill worker? they can go get another job ther is still a huge demand for workers in other areas.how about the contractor workin in the industry about to loose every thing?instead of goin to the ei office the logging contractor goes to court to get sued by all the creditors.

The 'poor' employee could ..yes certainly go get another job. What would a employee with 20+ years experience do?...What if these employees don't have a trade to fall back on. How are they going to support thier families while taking courses to train for another industry. You cant live and support a family on UI. I think the maximum is $435 per week. Do you think you could support your finanacial commitments and retrain on a little over $1600.00 per month?.
Most of these employees have financial commitments, based on thier current wages.

The effects we are seeing involve everyone within ths industry, not just certain areas. everywhere in the industry from the logger, scaler, employees right on to the coffee and water man. Lost wages by lack of regular work..This then moves to the surrounding communites..in lost or slow sales. Businesses then start raising prices as costs go up and so on...the loosing battle of the forest industry..has a huge effect which speaks louder than words.
The small communites suffer the most, in the end. Empty homes, decreases growth, business regression. Less means more..why? these communites will have no choice but to increase taxes, and fees associated with services. All the while thier community shrinks.

Saving this mill only jeopardizes other mills.

This is the way it works in a free market. Supply and demand. Demand is down 40% so 40% of capacity needs to go away.

It sucks for all those involved. But if mills such as these are propped up it will mean more mills will be unprofitable, for longer. Jeopardizing even more jobs.

The Union knows this. They are just playing politics, and really, who can blame them?

The unions are going to save the forest sector?
Lol. What a joke.
I like to hear how they are going to do that.
Cut their wages?
Work two times as hard?

I dont think its a question of saving an industry, but saving face. The union has to look involved somehow during these times. In a nut shell, politics.

There might well be more to the story than meets the eye in regards to that particular mill. It's not a situation similar to that which has affected many mills in the north, from what I understand.

Put a new record on the machine Yama. I don't recall unions being responsible for Gordo's drunk driving charge, the raid on the legislature, Jonn Les affair, huge over run of the vancouver convention centre. I don't recall them being responsible for that fine upstanding free enterpriser Conrad Black or for the Enron affair. I'm starting to wonder if you are one of Gordo's plants to write letters supporting the government. My opinion.

Oh?
Put a new record on the machine camnoose. I recall unions being responsible for Glen Clark court charge, the raid on Nanimo Bingo gang, Carrier Lumber timber sale affair west of Williams Lake, huge deficit run up of a decade of NDP finances. I recall them being responsible for that fine crew on the sunken ferry and the injury court case in Powell River against a non union construction company. I'm starting to wonder if you are one of Carol's plants to write letters supporting the NDP. My opinion.

Heehee! Unions are just another USSR political party that will send us back to the horse and buggy days, and a spy in every house.

There is life after sawmills,PulpMills ect..

Don't be silly and wait for it all to shutdown ..I can say that myself and many of my friends got trades while we were in logging,sawmills ect.

We planned ahead just in case the forest industry died which it has.

Think outside of the box down size reduce debt. get rid of the sleds,atvs,boats,5thWheels,ect start fresh if needed. Get back to the simplerlife,the basics....Owe nothing and you will be free.


It worked for us and many others. Just an idea may not fit for everyone .......goodluck

There is life after sawmills,PulpMills ect..

Don't be silly and wait for it all to shutdown ..I can say that myself and many of my friends got trades while we were in logging,sawmills ect.

We planned ahead just in case the forest industry died which it has.

Think outside of the box down size reduce debt. get rid of the sleds,atvs,boats,5thWheels,ect start fresh if needed. Get back to the simplerlife,the basics....Owe nothing and you will be free.


It worked for us and many others. Just an idea may not fit for everyone .......goodluck

you said it Getajob
kill the debt, save and buy with cash, take any training or schooling your job offers and get out from under the thumb of the so-called "BANKSTERS"

Where do you think "cash" comes from? You don't 'make' it in a pulp mill, or sawmill, or through having a trade. You can only 'get' it from someone whose got it, and they can only get it, ultimately, from the "Banksters".

So how are you going to get out from under THEIR thumb? You're not. Not so long as we have a system that charges you, in the price of everything you buy, with allocations for "capital depreciation", (the obsolescence and wearing out of productive equipment), which is right and proper from an accounting standpoint, but fails to fully credit you with "capital appreciation", (improvements in process and efficiency), which condemns EVERYONE to life under the Bankster's thumb if we want to use THEIR 'money'.

You have 'unions' because of the actions of SOME employers in the way they treated their employees. Sometimes out of perceived necessity, rather than choice. Sometimes not.

They improved a situation for workers that often wouldn't have been improved otherwise. But they can become every bit as oppressive as the employer they sought to rein in was, when there's no check on their power.

The worst part of the whole union/management scenario is that neither have ever seemed to recognize that it shouldn't be one versus the other so much as it should be BOTH of them TOGETHER to make sure that "FINANCE" provides adequate purchasing power for BOTH decent profits for the employer, and decent wages and working conditions to those who work providing the goods and services we all need and want. And should always be able to afford to "buy" if we're able to produce them.

freedom for me is no mortgage, no car payment, money on hand to do things when I please. I know I'll still have to pay taxes, utilities etc. But I don't want that cloud of debt knockin' on my door every month.
besides I'm trading in my cash for carbon credits.

I rather save and pay cash for our things also.Takes a little longer but i cant say that we did all that bad. I dont worry to much about job loss because of the rethinking that we did in 1996. Down sized simpler life style and we have freedom.

It can be done if one wishes to make an effort. Like i said , it may not be for everyone however what we have is ours.

We can say that we have been there and done that . " Leson was learned" Much more relaxed now without the man pounding at the door for toy money.

Why did people live in small homes prior?

Average size in pg was 700sqf. one car, 2-3 kids in one bedroom. Those people saved a ton and had a happy healthy life... I guess growing up old school payed off for them. I am glad to have returned to the ways of my Immigrant parents, keep it simple,eat well,relax and dont have worry in your life.

If you can grow it or build it yourself dont buy it.

Dont get loans and save your doe! And remember it's just stuff.

Your thinking works in individual circumstances, but it will not, and can not work in the economy as a whole the way the accounting is presently done.

The "doe" you "save" has already appeared in the Cost, and subsequently been impressed through into the Price, of some good or service. And your "saving" merely means that someone else has to go into debt further if that Cost is to be fully liquidated, or that good or service CAN NOT be sold for enough to recover its Cost.

If it can't be sold at a Price that covers its Costs , (whether it's needed or not), it very quickly won't be made. And those who made it won't be employed, or have any income to buy anything.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking "saving", or the merits, such as they may be, of living life more simply. But as long as the main source of incomes for most of us are mostly dependent on "employment", any large scale movement to emulate what you say you've done, without some overall changes in accounting, would bring disastrous results to our economy.

Ones that would force you financially, and most other people too, to live life far more "simply" than anyone would likely ever want to.

Trees....socredible!...it must according to some. Sorry couldnt resist.

Pretty hard to buy a descent car, or a home these days without some type of financing. These 2 items are the basics.