i smell opportunity???

Tax em!

Runner 46, that should be "i smell opportunity$$$" for the global warming fear mongerers.

We could use some climate change around here...maybe warm things up a bit!

Good to see the flat Earther's still out and about, still thinking they are more versed in the science of climate than the folks who spend thousands of hours in school and then in the field studying the issue with the educational background to acually know what the h$%# they're talking about. Yes, I know, even though you've never studied a single thing related to climate or chemistry you know far more than these people. The real question: Why are you not warning people to not go too close to the edge for fear they might fall off?

This is even more evidence that the trees should not be cut but left where they are to rot slowly over time. Cutting them will speed the release of their carbon into the atmosphere and cutting them and then burning them will release it instantly, thus making energy generation from these trees a bad idea. Allow them to rot over the many years it will take them to rot completely and this will not only provide habitat for many species of animal but in addition will delay the carbon they release. This will give the ecosystem time to re absorb the carbon they release by the trees that will come up behind the dying and dead trees.

But then this would mean that humans use logic, not a strong trait in this species.

Good idea kevin!
We just leave all the bug killed trees to rot and log off all the green stuff!
Brilliant...then we would have NO forest industry whatsoever!
That would work well wouldn't it?

Maybe we could get the government to hire the mills, to remove these trees ?...that would probably take too much out of thier pockets.
They would sooner spend millions on round tables, square tables...(you get the picture) to improve the 'forest industry.' Why not spend the money and keep some of these employees working ?..guess that would that be too simple!

If they stand there long enough, a few well placed lighting strikes. It's only a matter of time until you have forest fires. Up in smoke in the end, no energy or lumber that way.

Those who advocate man-made global warming denial think that if one ridicules it long enough it will simply go away.

No such luck. We created the mess, now we must do something about it.

It's a huge business, job creation and money making opportunity.

Make friends with the idea, or suffer.

Kevin I'm confused. Isn't the article saying that the rotting trees are releasing CO2 into the atmosphere? If so why would we want to leave them to rot? If we cut them for lumber and replanted new seedlings wouldn't the CO2 be preserved in the lumber and the new seedlings would take CO2 out of the atmosphere?

RUEZ and Kevin is confused. Well at least I don't feel left out this time!

Okay, this is getting interesting now.

Scientist are saying that these trees are releasing carbon faster than if they were not dead. In fact, they are realeasing a staggering amount.

But remember, like cholesterol, there is good carbon dioxide and there is bad carbon dioxide, according to scientist, that is.

So, in fact, carbon released by trees, whether burned, or turned into pellets and burned, or a product of decay as in this case, no matter how great that decay becomes, is green carbon. None of that fossil chit ......

So, we can quantify this decay as an amount greater than the "natural decay", sell that decay generated carbon to the rest of the world as carbon credits, thus we rake in the money without doing a damned thing. The beetles did it all for us......

Don't we just love this new accouting from those carbon credit bean counters .. almost as good as the new math was ...

;-)

Runner46 smelled right .... :-)

"two things that can be done to offset the impact of the dead trees says Kurz , reforestation and harvesting the dead trees for bio fuel or other uses."

Whoever this Kurz fellow is has got to get his science straight. Harvesting for biofuels puts the carbon into the air even more quickly ....

Do we know where this fellow got his degrees from????? ... If we do, I suggest not to send our kids there ..... there are better places to get an education that .....

**smirk***

99.99% of the worlds moisture is in the oceans and it is the moisture that conducts the heat around the globe (that is why an air conditioner works by taking the moisture out of the air).

The carbon has a very minimal effect if at all in the grand scheme of things, but works well for reducing pollution and raising pollution taxes.

The oceans distribute the the heat around the globe through the ocean conveyor system of currents and the resulting storms they generate in the atmosphere. Global warming is 99.99% a result of this science of which only a handful of people study and virtually non of them fully understand what drives it other than salty water sinks as it cools and fresh water from ice cap melt weighs less and thus has potential to shut down or slow down the ocean conveyor system as in the ice ages and as in the case of the current Arctic ocean.

IMO global climate change has its geniuses in the solar radiation from the suns solar cycles in the form of sun-Earth electrical exchange that is influenced by the proximity of the Sagittarius Drawf Galaxy of which our sun belongs as it interacts with and passes through the Milky Way Galaxy (on a 240 million year orbit) of which our galaxy is in the process of merging with and of which we are approaching the peak of the high energy interaction between these two galaxies (thus it looks to the human eye as if we belong to the Milky way until one looks through the sky in infra red). Throughout this process our oceans are doing their job to moderate the changes to our climate, but as the oceans fall behind and the climate warms, as it inevitably will, it triggers the fail safe in our ice caps that has the potential to shut down the ocean heat distributing system and cause another ice age.

AIMHO

I would suggest that maybe we could shut down the universities so we could get a depression going ,now that the real producers are unemployed, why not the breeding grounds for the non producers that fostered this whole mess.We might have put a stop to the beetle earlier on if the educated tree huggers been scouring a living instead of iterfering with what was going to be done. Well a good idea might be to put the natives back in control now that we have screwed it all up, couldn't be any worse than what we have done!IF we got back the control of canada, printed our own money and kept out of debt, our puppet politicians would be free to make decisions in our best interests instead of the so called world money lenders.

I'd like to print some money!

Not just CO2 how about H2O? I wonder how long it will take scientists to figure out that if the trees don't take up water it stays on or in the ground accumulating. Are we in for some major landslides? Anybody notice how the creeks are flowing at higher rates into the fall?

Imagine how much CO2 was released into the atmosphere before we as humans started fighting forest fires. The amount of CO2 that does not get into the atmosphere now because we fight forest fires must be absolutely staggering.
I believe the Global warming CO2 connection is false and the whole thing is a scare tactic to free us all of our cash.

If I open my wallet wider, will that solve this tree problem?

Owl
On the planet earth there is CO2.
It doesn't matter where this CO2 comes from or where it is stored on our planet. There is only 1 type of CO2 and it is called CO2 or carbon dioxide. LOL

Eagleone
Air conditioners work by removing the HEAT from the air not the moisture. Perhaps it works that way in the sagittarious dwarf galaxy but not here on earth. Dehumidifiers remove moisture from the air.

Ruez
Cutting all the beetle killed trees into lumber sounds great, however it has been discovered that this blue stained wood cracks and checks when it is made into lumber, unless it has been harvested quickly enough.

Ragtop
We will be seeing this extra water this spring as it starts coming down the Nechako

Werner Kurz seems to be a bit of a doe head. Cutting down all the dead trees and turning it into biofuel will release CO2 faster than leaving them to rot.

I'm sorry but the registerd person " owl " seems to have lost touch with reality in his put down vis a vis the qualifications of Werner Kurtz. I have to think that when a person ( owl )utilizes such a putdown, that person has a very low opinion of their own selfworth.
Elementary education regarding wood products dictates that when a live tree dies, it is no longer absorbing CO2. When a tree dies, it decays, in other words, it releases CO2. Very basic and not rocket science.
To utilize the dead wood, whether through wood pellets, lumber, plywood, OSB, bio fuel only changes the rate by which the CO2 is released. It will always be released. So be it.
The only way to change an area into a carbon sink is to have living trees on that site. Period. So be it.
Again, this is basic science.
Had the NDP government in power in our province at the time this problem first showed its head, had the balls to burn the initial infestation or log the initial infestation, then we would not be in this situation. However, they were intimidated by the " environmentalists " in their misunderstanding of basic science. So be it, we now have to live with consequences of that stupidity and fear.

kevin1006 since 1998 C02 has been rising but the world temp. has stopped rising and is even showing a decline. The science is not settled. Thanks to Suzuki Gore and his like, look at what is happening with food and energy prices. Bio energy is very poor science. Check this website and all its links-icecap.us. Kevin you mention scientists, did you know the IPCC was forced to admit that only a couple of dozen scientists would sign the IPCC report on climat change, not the thousands they were mentioning. Just a short time ago there was forum of over 400 scientists that met in New York questioning just how much effect man has on climate. So to sum up, the UN said they had thousands of scientists saying man is causing so called climate change but having to admit only a couple of dozen would sign anything. While just recently over 400 gathered to question man caused global warming. I find that an interesting flip flop.

All i have to say is i hope you dont have kids OWL...all we need is more know it alls in Prince George

Where did you get your degree buddy? Lets just leave the dead trees where they are and wait for a wildfire...or maybe you can put your money where your mouth is and open your wood furniture business.

DavidR

100% correct there buddy

Actually not to change the subject has anyone here used the 'bug wood' ?.

When you cut the tree its like the pitch has crystalized. We also noticed the limbs that would normally break ..are quite pliable yet wont break. Making for a dangerous situation as they have a tendancy to hang up when trying to fall..

The lumber is very hard to pound a nail in. and after a very short time..becomes feather light..and very brittle.

It burns hot and fast!...nearly exploding while burning..we wouldnt stand a chance of controlling a forest fire in a heavy bug kill area.

While the polarized argue about numbers and causes, certain individuals take sides, getting sucked in by their perceived gospel. Careful what you preach. Soon the truth will be revealed and one side is going to look very dumb. Will you be ready for the ridicule and the "I told you so"?

Come on sux you are taking the easy way out. Where is your sense of adventure.

Govsux that day (of truth for climate change) will never come I can say with confidence.

IMO its the butterfly effect and its why I don't (and I don't think others should) take seriously anyone that claims they 'know' what causes climate change... it'll always be up for debate.

I think the real debate should just get to the point and talk about pollution or consumption taxation rather than the muppet show some politicians are trying to sell.