Sure, we can do that every light along the bypass seeing as they have them timed to stop at every one of them. And we don't need to warm our vehicles up in the winter before we head out on the road either, we can go by feel.

Let me see....... 10 car line-up at TIM's in the am...... ten stops and starts of the engine ..... can someone do the science on the amount of pollution put out every time one starts a car versus keeping the car going? ....

they should outlaw drive throughs and double the paved parking lots so that they are sized for the rush .... NOT!!! ..... waste more property ..... thus lengthen the driving distance from place to place .... and waste more asphalt and gather more rain to push down storm sewers every time it rains ......

and so on and so on .....

PS ..... we do not have an ozone problem in this city ... at least not now ....

however, those sitting in the line will be breathing in more fumes than if they were to park the car and walk into the golden arches ....

So, give us some science .....

and after you spend all your time on that, spend the same time proportionately on the science of wood and pulpmills and refineries and give us the science on that and put an effective program in place that will cause the effect of mills to be reduced as well ......

"Activists in Hamilton, ON, are encourage their municipal leaders to curb emissions in their city by adopting a multi-faceted plan that bans drive-thrus, curbside idling, gas-powered lawn machines such as leaf-blowers and weed-whackers. The plan also involves positive measures—like doubling the city’s tree canopy to increase shade within the city’s limits and increasing the mass transit system. But it’s the immediate moratorium on drive-thru windows and the plan over time to eliminate those in current operation that got the greatest reaction from city planners and the general public. Even though the lack of drive-thru windows would decrease emissions, encourage drivers to adopt healthier habits and eliminate a great deal of noise pollution in crowded business areas, many Hamiltonians remain unconvinced that a ban on drive-thrus would improve their city. The city is still debating the proposal—first put forward in December 2006—and it is scheduled to go vote sometime in 2007."

http://www.aboutmyplanet.com/daily-green-tips/dont-drive-through

I am not a scientist but I would bet that during the time an engine shuts down and during the time an engine starts up it burns one helleva lot more fuel and spews out a lot more toxics than if it just kept running for five minutes. You can smell the increased emmissions during these times. Someone should do a study on this. No idle zones are B.S. especially in the north.

Agreed. Eliminating unnecessary stop lights and timing the rest is the best idea.

Come on guys...you complain about the air quality all the time and then when there is an idea (that is already in us in many areas) once again we have to be jokers and complain.

I see the emissions that get spit out of the older uncared for vehicles in this city and strongly feel that we need to go as far as implementing an Air Care approach like in the GVR...or just change your valve gaskets buddy and spend more money on fuel than oil

Another law. I suppose we will never have enough of them. We should pass a law that says no new laws. I would uphold that law.

Why are there people against this? It is a good idea. The intention is for those who are sitting in their vehicles and waiting. I see this all the time! People are always leaving their vehicle running to keep it cool in the summer with their air conditioning, or warm in the winter with their heaters blasting or with the radio on. How about we suck it up, do some good for the whole world, not just our neck of the woods, and turn your darn vehicles off when you are not driving. It is unsafe to turn your vehicle off at a stop light, but when you are pulled over or in a parking spot, turn your engine off. This is not hard to do. You just have to turn the key toward you.

Giterdun... given you are no scientist, I encourage you to Google "no idle" and see the number of hits you get under these two simple words. Have a look at the websites that are there. This is a program that has been introduced worldwide and it has been researched. What you think and what is actually true may not always be the same thing.

Its not the car engines we smell in this city some mornings,...don't let these pulp mills slip by the radar!

"Sunshine sketches of a little town"

Cheers

lightgreengirl...I have no intention of turning my car off in the winter when I'm idling. It's freeking cold up here in the winter and I won't get into a cold car. I don't have the luxury of a garage or a carport so I have to warm my car up for at least 5-10 minutes. Thank goodness for automatic car starters. I won't turn it off when I'm sitting and waiting either for the same reasons, this is the north & it's cold in the winter. I also enjoy my air conditioner in the summer when it's hot so I won't shut it off then either.

a posted comment "I also enjoy my air conditioner in the summer when it's hot so I won't shut it off then either."

LOL at when it's hot!!! LOL in PG, Hot?? LOL

my apologies, not laughing at the person who wrote it, just the comment!!

I let my car idle in the winter, but not in the summer. My AC works instantly, so I just point the fans directly at me.

I have remote start to warm it up in winter, and cool it off in the summer, before i get in my truck.
And no damn way I am going to stop using it.
I bought the truck, I buy the gas for it, and i will idle it as much as I want to.
If the people push me to shut it off, that is just likely to make me idle it more in protest.
I am sick and tired of being told what I can and cannot do.
Worry about yourself, and stop bossing others around you idiots that want to force your lame ideas on others.
Us regular citizens of tired of your BS, and your bullying tactics.
Thats my opinion.

Defintion of self centered:
"I have remote start to warm it up in winter, and cool it off in the summer, before i get in my truck."

That says it all.
Thats my opinion.

No Idling, eh? Might be a good time to start a battery and starter business.

YES!!! totally agree with you turbocat. Well said!

YES!!! totally agree with you turbocat. Well said!

IMHO just another attempt to deflect the cause of pollution away from industry. We've had weeny roasts, woodheating, roaddust, political hot air and now idling as the causes of PG air quality When are we going to get to the major causes?

red2b

you may consider me selfish.
I consider myself comfortable.
That is comfortable as I drive along with my trucks climate control set to the perfect temp, and listening to my Sirius radio, enjoying my comfy seats, and well, ya really just am comfy.

What else can I say.

Life is good, and tomorrow as I pull up to the drivethru window at Timmy's, you guessed it.... I will be COMFY then to !

Shut off your engine in a drive through line up? An uninformed person must have come up with that idea. As someone else posted, all that stopping and starting will cause MORE pollution, and wastes fuel. I could maybe buy into the notion of not idling the engine un-necessarily when you are NOT stopped at a light or a drive through, but other than that, itza non starter, get it?
metalman.