There seems to be money for everything else in this province, so there SHOULD be money for educational programs in general,but that appears not to be the case.
It's always a struggle.
Maybe they should trim a few salaries at the top and see if that helps?

Maybe they should rethink their policy of paying instructors full time wages for part time work. Seriously, if you only work 2 days a week we really shouldn't be paying you for 5.

Zoop .....

Obviously youy have never taught ...

A full time trades instructor teaches something like 30 hours per week to about 16 or so students. They have a standard curriculum, but have to develop projects, define the materials they need for those projects, set up the work for the projects, mark the work as well as tests, take part in meetings that cordniate work, prepare budgets, etc. etc.

I believe instruction is about 32 weeks a year. two or three weeks after that they have to make sure everthing is cleared away, get materials ready for the following year that take time to order and deliver. They also have several weeks for "professional development" which includes viewing new material for a common curriculum developed by others, or developing some new curriculum on their own. They are often on provincial committees for such purposes. In the fall they arrive in mid August to prepare for the class starts.

I believe they typically have about a 2+ month summer break. The pay they receive for this is based on a 12 month equal distribution rather than on a 10 month distribution, so what might look like them getting paid for not doing anything over those months, is done in that fashion for a different reason.

Those not in trades can teach up to 18 hours per week but have large number of students in the class, typically double the size, arfe given a rough outline of what the course is to contain, but develop thier own course materials around some general principles. They set their own assignements and examinations.

In addtion, insturctors have to have office hours of about 5 hours per week during which they will be available to deal with individual students. The good ones and the ones teaching what are tough subjects for students, will spend more time that that tudoring students.

An instructor who is new to this would typically be putting in 3 times as many hours as contact hours for a course. For that reason, new insturctors generally, but not always, get a reduced work load. So, say 16 hours per week x 3 = 48 hours.

Welcome to the world of teachers, the most underrespected profession in North America .... not so in most other parts of the world where such work is respected, often more than the work of a doctor.

Go hit on someone else, your ignorance is showing badly.

I think the non confidence is aimed at the wrong group......should be at our Education Minister et al....

"Late last week, the College announced it was reinstating the programs for the disabled. The Faculty Association says the Ministry of Advanced Education forced CNC to reinstate the programs."

Stupid move on the part of the Board and Administration to actually play politics using the disabled or appear to be playing politics on the backs of the disabled.

I do not have many details obout the workings of the college these days, but from waht I can tell, either one or both the administration and the Board are way out of line. They simply do not understand their role in a community with a university sharing the marketplace. Each has a role to play, and it appears to me that CNC is trying to play too much in the territory of UNBC and as a result those interested in traders, technology and business programs at the two year level are getting the short end of the stick and end up having to go out of town.

CNC as well as any other college and university has to compete for education dollars from the province. Those who do an excellent job of identifying appropriate mixes for programs will get a reasonable slice of the pie. Those who do not, will lose out.

If there is favouritism going on by the Ministry, then I would say go after the Minsitry. Otherwise, go after the administration and Board.

So, which is it? A little of both could be true.

So when is the rally supporting laying off faculty, and staying on budget? Or do we just go to this rally?

Was it simply political correctness that reinstated the "disabled" programs, or is there a case for money well spent to reduce the assistance money taxpayer pay the disabled? I know a fellow in a wheel chair and another fellow that is missing a limb that have good jobs (and not in the government either), and neither one went to CNC.

There are way too many "professional" students that just love to go to school, and that is why lots of us "..Go hit on someone else, your ignorance is showing badly.." people have deep reservation about the huge bucks drained away at CNC.

I agree ... most of us know how to do everything when we are born and really do not have to be educated formally .... we just pick it up like other animals do ... we watch mom and dad and follow in their footsteps ....

We would be much better off spendin' all those edikaschun bucks on food and gettin' us a wood axt an choppin' dem dar trees down like Paul Bunjum. Now there was a man!!!

Whether the Board is playing politics with that program is irrelevant. The program has been reinstated and that is a good thing. However, bear in mind it is only for the coming year.
Trades have received special target funds to operate. Other programs are forced to operate under block funding which the Ministry has slashed. The Board's hands are tied when the block funding doesn't cover all programs. Administrative costs may be something to look at but I have no idea how that is funded...I believe it is separate from the programs funding.
The real tragedy here is the colleges across BC were promised funding and then the govt changed their minds and closed their wallets, instead choosing to transfer a helluva lot more to universities. It appears the govt is only interested in targeted funding when it comes to colleges. This is what caused some difficult decisions for the Board. They don't have a kitty to work from...they have certain pots of funds that are regulated to be spent only in certain areas. I support the faculty in their efforts perhaps there is leeway in the administrative budget that I am not aware of. This provincial government needs to value our community colleges as it does our universities.

Actually just this financial year the government pulled millions of dollars from the Universities and gave it to the colleges, after the budgets had already been approved. That is why UNBC is facing a 1.5 million dollar short fall at present and has a interim budget in place at present.

Really lunarbase? Not true! The colleges never received this funding. Student unions have been rallying all year to actually receive the funds.....

This then begs the question...where is the money?? If the universities didn't receive the funds and colleges haven't either, someone has some explaining to do!

Owl the country was built by Homesteaders in Mud Huts,Trapppers, Loggers, etc. It was only after the land was settled and safe that the weenie teachers, clerks, and learned came west.

Teaching isnt anywhere as near as difficult as you would have us beleive.

The only people who beleive it is tough is teachers. Same applies to Government workers.


Give us a break from your in depth vision as to how things are and look at how they really are. Workers and riders. Which one are you.

"Give us a break from your in depth vision as to how things are and look at how they really are. Workers and riders. Which one are you."

Thank you Palopu for your contradictory statement...we are all here working for our economy. I do not know what your educational background is so I will assume based on your comments that an understanding of economics was not something that you have pursued. You can pick up a text at the college library or you may borrow mine whenever you wish. Education is the backbone of our society and fuels our economy. Without it we would not be a competitor on the world market.
Which brings this back on topic: Our colleges and apparently, according to lunarbase, our universities are not receiving the funds to operate the programs. Our forest industry has said they need more trained professionals yet these programs are being forced out of our colleges. (I can't speak to universities I am ignorant on their operation.)
So, where is the money? Why isn't it being funded? If universities are being told the funds went to colleges and universities are being told the funds have gone to colleges, SOMETHING IS ROTTEN!

http://cupe.ca/communications/University_cuts_put_

UNBC lost 1.5 million in funding this year.

Thx lunarbase!!! I posted the link to the group I created on facebook entitled "Citizens for Democracy":
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17851496022

It is good to see that Palopu has his head so firmly stuck in the sand. Weenie teachers indeed!!...My grandmother, who died 10 years ago at 101, taught in the Caribou back in the days when it was very much a frontier area. She taught in a one room school with no running water and no electricity. she did that for years and years. How many years did you do that Palopu........or are you to weenie to have dared live such a life!!! :-)

As for teachers having an easy job, ok Palopu, at times in my life I might have thought so but over the last few years I have seen it is truly otherwise. My started college and then went on to university when our kids were in their teens. She now teaches high school and is at work by 7:30am and rarely leaves the school before 6pm and then spends a couple hours every night at home marking. Oh, did I mention the hours she spends every weekend? She puts in those hours because she believes in what she is doing, she believes in doing everything she can to help the young people who are her students! Is she an exception? Perhaps at times to the extent that she gives of herself but I have gotten to know quite a few teachers over the last couple years and most are very committed to their profession and have a deep caring and sense of responsibility for the students in their care. Do you have that strong of a commitment to your profession Palopu?

missed a word I see.....I guess I better get some more education beyond my Dogwood!!

the line was ......My wife started College........

"Owl the country was built by Homesteaders in Mud Huts,Trapppers, Loggers, etc. It was only after the land was settled and safe that the weenie teachers, clerks, and learned came west."

I know palopu ... they brought their "edicashun" from elsewhere when they came accross the country. One of the first, if not the first white women to set foot in PG was a teacher, and one of the first buildings built in South Fort George was a school which, I believe was actually a conversion from another use. It is the building sitting outside the Exploration Place. If you go to their on line archive, it says the building was built in 1910 and the teacher was Mrs. A.B. Campbell.

But then again, yhou really do not care about history either, do you palopu?

;-)

From what I have read over the years, unlike some posters on here, settlers appreciated school teachers. One of the reasons why is that many had probelms reading and they saw the need for their children to learn how to read.

Of course, you know that that is just a frill.

"UNBC lost 1.5 million in funding this year."

I understand that that should read "UNBC lost 1.5 million in EXPECTED funding this year. I believe they got more money this year than last.

I also understand that the college got special funding to stratr up trade programs they had actually let die.

The med lab program is also a good example. They used to have the first year of that program some 2 decades ago, but the government created a cetnre of excellence in Kamloops for those tyupes of medical tech programs, so CNC lost it. Now med lab no longer exists in Kamloops and CNC has picked it up along with $1million start-up funds.

Someone asked how are administration, library and other service programs at the college funded. Not using all the allocated start-up funds to start up a program is one way. The more new porgrams you can strat up, the more you can siphon off to other uses for which the college is supposdly inadequately funded. It's a shell game, and everyone knows it is played.

Hmm interesting owl. The way the funding formula was explained to me after I shot my mouth off a while back without having all the facts, your explanation would not be possible. Target funding only funds that program. Block funding is supposed to cover the other "staple" programs such as business for example. Out of the block funding must come salaries, maintenance etc. I am not sure where the start up program funding comes into play based on your line of thinking. I was also told that this is a fairly recent funding formula so complicated a lubricant couldn't squeeze you outta the tight spot.
I would really like to see the actual formulas, and funding tiers published for both colleges and universities. I was also under the impression that administration budget (not faculty here) was funded separately too. So owl, you may have a valid argument but it goes contrary to how it was recently explained to me. Do you have any links to support this? Thanks owl :)

missed a word I see.....I guess I better get some more education beyond my Dogwood!!

the line was ......My wife started College........

Yes owl it was in expected funding, but the extra commitments from the government still stand, even without the backing of dollars. Common sense would say just don't do the extra work and therefore you will not be under funded but the government doesn't think that way ( common sense that is :) )

Oh, a tad tetchy about the edicashun subjict are we? My mom started teaching in 1951 and retired in 1998.
Teaching is great for the retirement package, the two months off a year plus a day off at least every two weeks, plus all the extra long holidays. So what if you need to put in a couple long days. The work condition are great, no coal dust and a low injury rates. From my experience, having lived it, teaching is a good life, if you can stand to lower yourself.

For edicated people the posters on this item don't seem to have let their edjcation sink in very well. Most smart and succussful people kept the edidication to a minimum. In real life over education clearly has a bell curve for results.

"Most smart and succussful people kept the edidication to a minimum"

Most certainly visible when looking at George Bush the junior .......

But then, if you are born with a lead spoon in your mouth, one can expect to see the brain cells die off a bit too early ...

;-)

Provincial Budget cuts once agian smokescreened by the communities inability to fund key elements of education or health. Way to go Gordo!! And Maybe it is time that MLA's Bond and Bell actually showed some grit and stepped upto the plate.