Time to blockade them from using that road to leave their "traditional territory". Fight fire with fire.

Hey is that an educated comment? We are all sitting on traditional territory my friend. At least they actually have some means to fight with and don't sit around waiting for the next election and a miracle leader that they don't have to whine about.

Traditional land my A##, this is no more their traditional land than yours or mine. Just because you and your family lived there once doesn't make it yours TINY.
My family and I have lived here for over 100 years is this land now mine? Not likely. These land claims are a joke.
Get a job, pay your taxes like most do and get over it.Nothing in this life is free.

I agree with you Sportsman

Yes here we go once again! God, when will we stop owing that group everything?
I'm so sick of this roadblock BS! Be a day in Hell i waited for a handout from anyone.

I'm the 13th generation for our family in Canada. There is no going back.

This generation either all work as equals or this generation will do what our fore fathers have done, keep feeding the locals booze and feeding their huge ego's. I really do not believe the stone age decendents can cling to the past anymore. It is destroying them and we are keeping them as pets. It's time to grow up.

It will all be settled when the government actually fulfills it's treaty agreements. So if one has a contract and a party to that contract isn't living up to its responsibility, even you would fight to keep the erring party in line with its side of the bargain.

Yawn....BS

“Our Territory has been flooded with tenures awarded to industry with no proper consultation and no accommodation” states Chief Dolly Abraham. “The whole top of our watershed is blanketed with tenures. The provincial on-line staking system has turned into the new gold rush”.

I guess the HUGE sums of money being awarded to First Nations can't just come out of thin air. Revenue can't just be spent, it also has to be generated. When will it ever be enough?

Ahh, I Love this never-ending treaty process. As I examine my ancestry, it seems I am a descendent of Ghengis Khan. Appears to me that my family has claim to most of Asia and parts of Europe. Wow, what a windfall. Wonder when the first settlement payment will arrive. Wait just one second, I'm Caucasian, but I'm confident that the DNA data will support my case. Off to the liquor store I go, time to celebrate.

We should start a war....WITH OUR POLITICIANS. They are the problem. If you want to stop a tree from growing..kill the roots. Wake up people.. The natives are just playing by the rules made by government. Straighten out our politicians and the native problem will solve itself. Everyone should be equal..period. One country. One law. Abolish the INDIAN INDUSTRY and those who feed from it.

tinyapplecork..... This is an industry. Many are feeding off of it, including the native leaders. It will never end as long as our politicians keep sucking up. Its got nothing to do with treatys or agreements. It is a bureaucracy that is thriving and making a lot of people wealthy. Accountants,Consultants,Lawyers,and Native leaders are all milking this cow. If you think it is going to cease upon settling a few treatys then you are sadly mistaken.

Well said giterdun!
This IS a political issue and directly related to the lack of foresight and action by the federal and provincial governments.
But at the same time,first nations also need to consider the fact that the amount of funding they recieve is directly related to the economic success of the canadian economy.
And that directly relates to jobs and resource development.
First Nations reserves,like Tackla for example,are in the middle of nowhere and right now, there are no jobs anywhere near there.
I would think that they should be encouraging anything within reason that could provide jobs for the band,instead of scaring off any hope of development in the area.
They might be suprised at the outcome if they were a more proactive instead and sending out the message that they were not interested in anything that they did not personally control.
As we all know nobody gets all the marbles.
Blockades don't work and never have.
Maybe it's time they tried a different format.
They are getting some bad information from leaders who draw a paycheck that most of them do not have.

I have been reading your BS about how First Nations are dipping into your pockets, taxes. Get over it, government is responsible! First Nations have always, from day one since non natives set foot on First Nations Land, TRIED and are still trying to protect the Natural Resources that kept, keep all First Nations alive. If First Nations ran this land, it would be thriving with life, not man made garbage. Don't forget who was responsible for saving your ancestors lives when they were dying from their own diseases. This has always been Takla Traditional Territory and always will be!

Ok FirstFN...we all agree on something...government IS responsible for much of the mess.
But why is it that whenever the subject comes up, we get into this pissing contest about about how much better things would be if we all buggered off back to wherever we came from and gave it all back?
Would you be willing to give back all those things that you have adopted from the non-native culture,including everything that relates to funding and benefits, and go it totally on your own?
What is it that you are protecting those natural resources from?
From development that could provides jobs and income for so many?
Why is it that in all the rhetoric about who owns what,jobs are never mentioned?
I understand your claim to traditional territory,but I don't understand how you plan on earning a living?
Is it not in your best interest and that of your people,to see your particular area and it's resources developed to the advantage of all of us?
Would you not benefit the most because you live right there?
Is what is happening now really helping any of us?
I think you need to put the blame where it belongs...on governments,past and present, and stop trying to blame taxpayers and people in general, who are only trying to make a living and survive.
Just like you are.
Whether you agree or not,we ARE all in this together and there has to be a better way!

Oh dear.... I would have let this slide by, FirstFN, if your comment was not so terribly incorrect.

"You" were NOT here first.... "WE" were... all of us critters... tiny ones, big ones and huge ones.

Mother gave us this Earth long before man crawled out of the slime to suckle at Her teat....

How ridiculously arrogant your words appear in the dim light of false context.

Blessings... :-)

I didn't take their land. I got mine from ReMax. Besides put yourself in their place. Do you enjoy dragging yer butt outa bed every morning for thirty plus years, pay 50% of your earnings or more to several levels of wasteful governments, then retire and try to live on a measly pension? Everything being relative, which side are the fools on?

Oh yeah! RRrabbitt! You said it!
I think you have cut right to the basic truth, after all, the ancestors of the current Indians originated in what we now call Asia. Are the bottom feeding native industry lawyers busy making claims in Siberia or Mongolia? NO. Why? because they would be laughed at, or sent to a gulag for being a smart ass. It is rather ridiculous when you look at it and realize that our GUTLESS leaders are allowing this long running fracas to be perpetuated. It IS an industry, there are a lot of people getting paid to keep this b.s. going.
Let us not predjudice the average person of any race, none of us are better than anyone else in my opinion. We know that only the lawmakers can shut down the business of landclaims. Make a settlement, make it final, no coming back for more (like yet another million dollars to the N'isga, to "help" them transition into collecting their own sales taxes, I almost fell off my chair when I heard that on the radio, and then I did hit the roof when I found out the tax collected is for the sole use of the band. We had a "final" treaty agreement and settlement, and now we give another million to help learn how to collect tax? It's like a bad dream, one we can't wake up from)
metalman.

"What is it that you are protecting those natural resources from?
From development that could provides jobs and income for so many?"

Can not of you see the forest for the trees??????

Here you are getting ticked off at a group of people who wish to get what they feel should be there part of the dollar benefits derived from the natural resources on their land ........

Then almost that same group of people gets ticked off at industry shutting down mills in small one industry towns such as Mackenzie, Fort St. James, etc. etc. and blame the mills for taking the money out of the community and not re-investing it in the community and leaving everyone high and dry ......

And then the same group again talkin in more of a large regional issue of the south bleeding all the wealth from the north of the province and not giving us the liefestyle which we should be having fro giving the south all that wealth ....

Is there anyone that is capable of seeing the irony in all this? Is there anyone that can see the obvious solution to all this????

Work together man and woman!!!!!!! we are talkin' the same language if you have not discovered that yet........

RRabbit said:

"You" were NOT here first.... "WE" were... all of us critters... tiny ones, big ones and huge ones."

FirstFN said: "This has always been Takla Traditional Territory and always will be!"

You are reading something into those words which were not there. In addition, you are obvuscating the content ....

The fact is that the world over not only humans but also animals are territorial. Takla First NAtions ahve a right to be territorial so do not be so condescending to them.

Conflicts the world over deal with territorial claims and some of them go back thousands of years. People do not forget easily. The 200 year history of Russians, Americans, British and Spanish vying for this part of the world territory while it was inhabitated with First Nations is nothing when compared to other communities in the world. We are babes in the woods and it would be great if we could show another way of dealing with age old traditions which preceeded us and keep on creating powder kegs such as Yugoslavia, the Middle East, Somalia, Tibet and so on ....

Watch how they will be dealing with some of the reportedly newly discovered tribes in the Amazon at least one of which was trhowing spears at helicopters flying overhead.....

They know if they go in there they will kill at least half of them within the next year without lifting a finger just through viral diseases which they will be in contact with, not unlike the smallpox which killed huge portions of First Nations in the USA. After that, they will end up in the barios of the big cities.

They had a sustainable existence for many thousands of years. With one fell swoop of a competing, supposedly advanced society, they will disappear into oblivion.

It will happne much faster to them than to the North American First Nations, right in front of the CNN cameras. The rest of the world will be watching this time around, but virtually no one will care.

in case some of you have not seen this:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/30/2260586.htm?section=world

This report has more detail .... for those interested in this ... the yahoos in the group can go display their neanderthal tendencies in other ways ....

;-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/30/brazil.conservation

Never in my life have i read so much fiction! This country has got to be the joke of the world.
People claiming land that was never just theirs...

The planet is the property of all that walk on it.

Maybe it's time to draw the line in the sand.... and may the best man win!

..."may the best MAN win " ... ???

Nhaaa... not very likely... the best woman maybe...and she will be an old thing at that..... but certainly not the best man. :-)

But I do like your line about "all who walk on it..." True... very true.


:-)

Ooops sorry i don't think it's just a man's world....got hung up with the BS...I meant The planet is for all who walk on it..Black/White,Female/Male and Other.
Here is an idea, if we gave the indians future cash would they donate it ALL to lands that are starving and live in a world of no Healthcare, welfare,Food,Freedom? Would they help us help those other brother and sisters?

Just a thought.............

All I want to know is why we cannot work together to make this world a better place, I am sick and tired of the prejudice of the Aboriginal people towards us and our prejudice attitude towards them, why does there have to be an US and THEM??? It's retarded. Going to school in FSJ has got to be one of the hardest things a kid can do in this town primarily because of the fact that the parents are ensuring thier kids have the same views they do!!!
Maybe it's time to start educating the young in this town that noone is better than everyone else, so we should all do what we can to live in harmony!!!!!

Let's give up the segregation!!!

I could not agree more StuartLake3!
Seems to me a lot more milage would be gained if it was "we", instead of "them' and "us"!
And that applies to BOTH sides!

"The planet is the property of all that walk on it."

hey ... that is exactly what the Mexicans think who cross the border to the USA supposedly illegally. They know it is illegal to have a border. The planet is the property of all that walk on it ..... and crawl on it...

;-)

I think they have a point - if you want to mine , regardless of whose land it is or where it is, you need to have an acceptable plan to deal with the tailings and post sufficient bonds to decomission the site
......and filling a lake with tailings isn't a "plan"

... or hop on it... or perch on it...

:-)

I agree with you Jimmi.

Get the treaties done already. Could this be why industry is reluctant to come to B.C. despite high prices for minerals etc.? We have a pro business government, cheap power( for now), a supposedly booming economy, but still no major industry, especially in the north. What gives???

Anyone know how the Nisga'a are doing?