Please take a few moments and watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxKMWJ9giIQ

This is one of several reasons why I am against this particular project. The provincial government is NOT doing BC any favours. It is not environmentally responsible. I sincerely hope each of you do your homework on all the power projects in BC. Personally, I am totally against irresponsible money grabbing projects. At this rate there will be nothing left for my unborn grandchildren! The rivers and all resources belong to the people! Let's take it back!

Thanks for the link tiny. The run of the river projects are an example of a good idea gone very bad. The reason is that the provincial govt. has allowed a gold rush through their tenure process, allowing private companies and individuals to grab up public lands, at a huge cost to government since the costs are minimal. I would wait for the fallout, when these companies sell their tenures to larger companies, who will then hold a monopoly on power production. These applications are very hard to track on the govt. website (ILMB), there are just so many. Most tributaries in the Robson Valley are already locked up, for example, and most people have no idea.

Without everyone doing more to reduce their consumption in every aspect of their lives, there won't be much left of anything, and that will be in our lifetime. Even more so, considering the insatiable appetite south of the border.

Tiny what you have highlighted is that if and when Site C is built it has to be built and operated by the public, by BC Hydro. Notice how the PR guy from hydro is already softening the blow " the facility will remain publicly owned " doesn't mean that it will publicly built or operated.

P3's as the government likes to call them or I like to call them " Let's rip off the average person and give all the money to our corporate buddies " have yet to produce anything for our province that couldn't have been done in house for a fraction of the cost and better ! Just because the government only releases or says good things about them without actually releasing any dollar information about them, don't believe them.

Ask any of the liberal MLA's for information about the accenture deal that saw 1/3 of BCHydro laid off and given to a private firm. How did this save hydro any money ? Nothing at all.

"...$5.1 to $6.6 Billion dollars..."

WOW! Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy up Alcan/Rio?

On the other hand building the Site C will just keep getting more expensive.

Building Site C might as well get started, but find some way to pick up Alcan as well. Alberta is going to run out of oil in less than 100 years, and BC is going to be the next energy provider for N America. Might as well build the dam while we still can buy diesel.

cheaper than $13 billion each of several nuclear gnerator add ons Ontario has announced. Everyone is looking for non fossil fuel power gneration ....

http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/440620

"If approved, Site “C” could produce enough power to supply 460 thousand homes"

And if they were built smaller and had solar panels as well as heat pumps they would not require natural gas ands it would still supply 460 thousand homes ....

An archaic measure isn't it? Is it an electrically heated home? Does it have a hot tub? Is one vehcile at the least an electric vehicle? What is the per home use of the 460 thousand homes?

The dam will produce about 4600 Gigawatt hours of energy and for most people they have no idea what that represents so it is equated over to 460,000 homes that in theory people can understand easier. The actual hourly capacity is going to be about 900 MW's.

Live now you like. I was in a house yesterday that does not have a hot water tank. There is a propane furnace in one wall and a wood stove in another room. The attic has a layer of sawdust chips, blown insulation and yellow bat insulation. There is no vapour barrier anywhere and all single pane windows that open in the summer by tilling inward. What a dump. It is an old house that has no crawl space and there is a layer of water under the joists. The house is on city services, but not hooked up to natural gas. But they have an electric stove and two refrigerators!

Live how you like. People should remember we are only one generation away from a time when this house was perfectly normal.

Build the dam, the nay sayers have already plotted out the beachfront properties years ago.

Ever look around your own house, every thing we own has to be plugged into a wall. We use more power now than we ever have to run a house.

If twenty percent of the people are saying no to the dam, than lets cut off their power and let them go hug trees and kiss fish.

We have the ability to have power at 50% of what the rest of the world pays, it is our only advantage. lets do something with this advantage.

He speaks
If you really think we will enjoy cheap power ever again, think again.

To build this new dam will destroy peoples lives and a very beautiful part of our province.

People that are in favor of this dam and have never been up in this area have no idea what they are in favor of destroying forever.

Does anyone know how many communities are going to be affected? That is, how many farms, how many houses, how many roads, how many water wells, how many cemeteries, etc. etc. will have to be expropriated, relocated or rebuilt?

I have seen this happen in the creation of the St. Lawrence Seaway. I have seen it happen (and it is still happening) in the accessing of brown coal in the Ruhr region of Germany. We can see it happen in reverse in the Netherlands, the actual creation of new inhabitable land from the sea bottom. We have all experienced the results of Katrina via at least TV which was primarlily the problem of inadequately protecting land which was also recalimned from the delta ... not unlike our ice jam problem of this year.

These kind of movements are a part of the managed landscape the world of humans is. For anyone to think otherwise, they are humans that live in a dream world and fail to understand the part they are playing since the day they were born, an event they had no choice in.

The house many of us live in within the interior of BC most likely is sitting on a piece of ground which was either natural forest or rangeland or farm when it was built not that long ago. Each and every one of us is causing a change in land use and we will continue to do so for many thousands of generations to follow us if humans will survive on this earth. We are not yet living in an area where the place we live in was a second generation building and very rarely a third generation building. Compared to some other parts of the urbanized world, that is nothing. People in some parts of the world are living in buildings on a piece of ground that has not been a natural forest or rangeland for two and three thousand years. On the other hand, there are places where humans are farming today where dwellings used to stand at one time in history.

There will always be someone, some lifestyle, someone's favourite place, and much more often, some other creature other than humans, that will be affected. The earth is a place of human and animal habitation. As a result, the environment changes. Humans are different from other creatures, they can plan how they wish to cahnge the environment. The one thing that they cannot do, the same as animals, is not create any change. That is an impossibility. That is not natural. Nature moves, nature changes. Nature is not static.

There are about 5 key reasonable options we have:

1. reduce the number of humans on this earth

2. reduce the amount of waste we create

3. reduce the amount of "product" we use

4. plan and make wise decisions to maximize the product you gain from the earth to sustain your life and lifestyle

5. don't blame others, blame yourself because you are part of the "problem" and you are part of the "solution".

As with many such things, it is wise to work on all options at the same time.......

To build this new dam will destroy peoples lives and a very beautiful part of our province.

Lostfaith, I guess you come under the " "emotional" catigory because what your saying dosent make much sence. The back water on this dam is not like the WAC Bennet dam where thousands of acres were flooded and many people displaced.

Check your facts before you make these sensational statements. Start by reading some of the information given on yesterdays post on the Site C dam.

There are only two reasons why this dam should not be built. It should not be built to export power and as a P3 project. If BC Hydro wants to built AND operate the dam do it now as cost will only increase.

Cheers

Bridge
I guess you come under the "ones who will benefit financially" category. Because what you are saying doesn't make much sense.

Check your facts before you make these sensational statements.
Start by knowing exactly what will be under water and lost if this dam is built.

There are more than two reasons this dam shouldn't be built.

Besides the land, etc. that will be lost because of the dam, the dam will change the climate in a major way.

Ok no dam dam then what? Do you really need that Timmes? Do you really need to go out for supper? Do we really need speciality clothing stores? Do we really need a public pool? Do we really need the YMCA? Do we really need a school in every neighbourhood? As long as we "need" these things that require energy we need site C.

It's very apparant we need mental health facilities reopened.

very true lostfaith, lol....so, Hespeaks where is my beachfront? You mapped it out for me already so I didn't have to? What a sweetie!! lol Now wouldn't that be nice for this naysayer!
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I say no to Site C so long as the government will not come clean that it will in fact be 'public owned' AND 'public operated'.

Oh my god what a lot of sensational...well you know what. I have seen and am aware of the areas to be flooded by the proposed dam and i can tell you that there are NOT a whole lot of farms, communities or vanishing ecosystems involved. Also, the climate will NOT be changed in a major way. As for Owl's suggestion that we reduce the number of people on the planet, well where do we start? Is Owl volunteering? Grow up people, we BUY power generated in Alberta and the US. Some or all of this is generated using fossil fuels. While reducing our use is a good goal it does not solve our problems of the near future. Also, to think that a province with a growing population to think we can decrease our overall electricity (hydro) apetite is rather naive, esp. given the price trends for natural gas, diesel, etc.
So build the dam, encourage and practice power conservation, reduce your resource use. These are all good things. As for reducing the population of the province/planet, dont go there.

There has been no irrefutable proof that we in BC actually need this dam. We do have a lot of spin on the Hydro power issue since Ontario privatized their system and the majority of citizens regret the pickle they are now in since they sold themselves out to big business. Once Ontario got their privatization of electricity, we in BC who had plenty of power of sale, suddenly, had a shortage and the conservation of power marketing began enmass. As I said before, give me hard independent data, that BC can't support it's own power and I will agree that we need more power projects. At the moment, I think it has much more to do with power sales to the USA and lining pockets, than it does to protecting BC taxpayers.

Oh my god what a lot of sensational...well you know what. I have seen and am aware of the areas to be flooded by the proposed dam and i can tell you that there are NOT a whole lot of farms, communities or vanishing ecosystems involved. Also, the climate will NOT be changed in a major way. As for Owl's suggestion that we reduce the number of people on the planet, well where do we start? Is Owl volunteering? Grow up people, we BUY power generated in Alberta and the US. Some or all of this is generated using fossil fuels. While reducing our use is a good goal it does not solve our problems of the near future. Also, to think that a province with a growing population to think we can decrease our overall electricity (hydro) apetite is rather naive, esp. given the price trends for natural gas, diesel, etc.
So build the dam, encourage and practice power conservation, reduce your resource use. These are all good things. As for reducing the population of the province/planet, dont go there.

so carnamacil I take it to mean that by copying and pasting your comment equates to the fact you have nothing new to add??

BC public power forever. It's on of the few advantages this province has to attract heavy industry and jobs that pay a "living wage"
Did you get that Gordo?