Mair Chinooks are different from Atlantics. At the turn of the century it was a couple of million atlantics that where released and they all died off.

I am no fan of Gordo but old mair is way off on his atlantic salmon mantra. I just wonder if it has someting to do with all the resorts that are poping up in the Broughton Archipelago. Does he have a financial interest here. He never seems to mention these resorts and the effects they might be having in this sensitive area.

Off topic but did you read about Gordo's bullshit on so called global warming released to the dumb ass mainstream media. By the way Stanley Park was not devastated, only a very small part.

Seamutt
What credentials do you have to state Rafe doesn't know what he is talking about?
What are your financial interests regarding fish farms. I have asked you before and you ignore the question.
There must be some type of personal financial interest here for you Seamutt. You continually denounce any evidence that is shown to the public regarding the destruction that open net pen salmon farms are doing to our wild pacific salmon stocks. You do this with no evidence of your own to prove your point.

The people against this destruction have tons of scientific PROOF that backs up what we claim.
You have none. Cough it up or sthu.

You keep telling us to do some research.
If you knew anything about the destruction these fish farms do to wild fish stocks and the surrounding environment, (you already know what they do) you wouldn't be defending these destructive fish farming techniques brought to us from overseas countries, that have already lost their wild fish stocks.

Are there resorts popping up all over the Broughton Archipelago? Where does one find that information?
You are against resorts are you?
You think it's ok for your fishfarming buddies to destroy wild salmon stocks, our environment and these resorts all at the same time?
All for your own personal gain?

Come back and argue your points when you have scientific proof.
Our side already has proof.

Lost faith I have no financial interests what so ever. I have seen fish farms and have been on them. I know people who work in the industry. What credentials does Mair have? Morton's scientific research methods have been called into question. Look up fish farmers in the internet, here is a BC address, http://www.salmonfarmers.org/

Read it all with an open mind.

There are a lot of resorts in that area and a lot of boats over the summer. I wonder what effect they have. Does Mair have some sort of connection with these resorts? I know the resorts don't like the fish farms but one would hardly notice the farms unless one went looking. Morton has a big interest for as long as she cries wolf she gets funding.

Yes I know something about fishfarms, been there seen that. Has Mair checked them out? I doubt it. Am I an expert, no but seem to know more than Mair.

Don't ever believe anything you see in mainstream media. They only make money with doom and gloom.

What distruction, one of the rivers in that area had its biggest return ever last year. But over all the salmon returns on the whole coast are down, not just in the Broughton Archipelago. Oh I should mention I have lived in the area, that is mainly why I have been interested in whats really going on as I saw no whole sale destruction. Salmon is also down in Alaska where there are no farms.

I wonder what effect ocean drift nets and scouring of the ocean floor is having on salmon. I have just started looking for information on this.

Your side, who said there are sides, just facts. Mair hasen't checked things out very well.

Yes there are "sides".
Your side, the pro fishfarm side, (corporate greed) and the other side, the anti fishfarm side. The "anti" side has undeniable scientific proof that these farms are killing wild salmon.

You say you have no financial interest.
Why then when faced with all this scientific evidence do you continue defending the destruction of our wild salmon?

No one has ever said fish farms are the only players here, they are however a player that can be stopped.

You are looking for information on drift nets scouring the ocean floor.
Lets see your information that fish farms are safe.
You cannot provide such information as there just isn't any.

Here are some sources from the anti side Seamutt.

http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/food/salmon/index.html

http://www.farmedanddangerous.org/uploads/File/Reports/2001/drugs_and_environment%202001.pdf

http://www.farmedanddangerous.org/

http://www.seaweb.org/resources/aquaculturecenter/documents/Salmon_Timeline.pdf

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0616_030616_farmsalmon.html

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Oceans/Aquaculture/Salmon/

http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=2085

http://www.mangroveactionproject.org/news/current_headlines/canadians-accuse-norwegian-salmon-farm-companies-of-double-standards/?searchterm=accuse

http://www.salmonfarmmonitor.org/osullivan.shtml

I couldn't find any info that states all the toxins used for raising farmed salmon were good for humans.

Sure looks to be very profitable for some.

More info on the destuctive salmon farming industry around the world.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=34169

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061002/salmon_sealice_061002/20061002/

http://www.georgiastrait.org/?q=node/184

http://www.straight.com/article-139179/calculating-true-cost-salmon-farming

Lostfaith same old news and misinformation. Check this http://www.salmonfarmers.org/show_topic.php?id=14

Well off to buy some atlantic salmon for the barbie, Yum Yum

Seamutt

None of what I have posted is anything less than the truth and the furthest from being misinformation.

I am very aware of the salmonfarmers.org site. Amazing how they don't say anything but good about their toxic product and have no proof to disprove anything said against them.

It appears as if written by you.
The same way a drug dealer would write about their product being harmless.

You say you have no financial interest in these farms, what type of interest do you have, what is your connection to them that makes you defend them the way you do?

You are part of the problem Mutt and should be ashamed at what you are doing to our wild fish.

You are obviously only here to create tension and to stir the pot.
Until you can provide your sources for what you say, nothing you say has any merit. I have provided sources with scientific proof.

Hope you don't choke to death on a toxic Atlantic salmon bone.

Actually i think it is unfair to suggest seamutt was stirring the pot. He wrote to point out where he though Mr Mair was off base. I think that is the point of the forum. On the other hand, it was no surprise to see you rise to the bait (no pun intended). It certainly seems like some people want to righteously browbeat anyone who disagrees with them. I also think it is less than cricket to start accusing anyone who disagrees with you of greed and corporate sponsorship. One doesnt have to have a financial interest in something in order to have an opinion.
It is naive or disingenuous to suggest that your web sites are factual and everyone elses are not. If you have any scientific background you will know better.
It is also less than impressive when we start goading each other (ie the barbeque comment) or worse yet, wishing death on each other. I seem to remember last time i commented on this same sort of thing (also involving the fishfarm debate) I was told to learn about the evils of fishfarms or keep my mouth shut. I trust that this time someone will read my post carefully and not respond in such a knee jerk fashion. The fact is, an ass is an ass, regardless of what the truth of fishfarms may be.