Witness statement,(RCMP member) said Sherametta was standing when he shot the guy.
Sherametta testified he was laying on his back with the suspect standing over him when he shot the guy.

They are after him for lying about previous experience related to weapons seizure.

Whats wrong with this picture?

The guy should have been charged with murder, and dismissed from the rcmp.
metalman.

And again another government waist of tax payers money. And now they (RCMP) investigate themselves for the woman who killed herself right under their noses. The RCMP spokesperson the following morning said on the radio that the cameras were on the entire time! Who then either watched the woman kill herself or was asleep at the job???? It will be interesting to see how this one is swept under the carpet. :{~

The cell death at the detachment would definately weigh against the city employee who was working as the guard in cells at the time. With cameras in each cell, there was no excuse not to notice what she was doing,,,,unless she tied the string around her neck while the guard was doing a walk through the cell block to check on prisoners.

As for Sheremetta, again it's the fault of RCMP management at E division Headquarters..waiting too long to apply for the pay suspension. Ottawa would have been the decision maker to dismiss the suspension without pay application, and their decision would be based upon legal precedent.

Agreed Imorg.
But the really bizarre issue here is the time factor involved in this so called "investigation".
We are talking about FOUR YEARS here, and that in itself makes the RCMP look like they are trying find a way to sweep it all under the carpet.
It also makes them look stupid.
This should have been over and done with a long time ago,to say nothing of what it has done to the main witness who was also RCMP.
Are they saying they don't believe the witness and she could also be lying?
When this is finally over, there should be some upper level RCMP management that have some serious questions to answer!
Then somebody should get their ass sued off!

Freeze, regular rcmp members are used to getting investigations done and charges laid very quickly. However, once some members get their whiteshirts (commissions) due to whoose arses they kiss, their brains just leak out of their ears over a period of time. That coupled with the slow and useless bureaucracy within RCMP management just foul things up. I fear the only law suit happening will be Sheremetta's against the Force for vexatious prosecution....Look what kohut and Harris are doing...theyre suing the RCMP for a couple of million dollars (public knowledge) and the RCMP will probably pay....

That was just one of many differences.
Also lostfaith the "death glare" as Sheremetta called it. Kevin had squinty eyes and when his daughter is tired or has her face just right she looks just like him.
It's time this open wound got cleaned then stitched once and for all.

With these kinds of comments, it's amazing that anyone wants to be a cop nowadays. I certainly wouldn't want that job, having to rely on life and death split-second decisions and every one better be exactly right or the media and the public will come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Exactly Imorg...and it does beg the questions as to what is really going on within the upper levels of the RCMP and why does the federal goobernment ignore it?
Unfortunately,it is the cops out on the street who pay the price from all the bad PR.

Mr PG, in some of these cases what split second decisions? The main point in these cases is the coverups and lying going on. I believe the RCMP have become a dangerous organisation and should maybe be disbanded. They have forgotton that they are servents of society, not the other way around. Why do they fight so hard against civilian oversite? Yes there are some good cops but there are lots with a bad attitudes. Where are these attitudes being developed? The military has civilian oversite, why not the RCMP.

"I believe the RCMP have become a dangerous organisation and should maybe be disbanded."

If you believe this, you're getting a pretty distorted view of the RCMP through the media. Or maybe you haven't had good relations with the police in your life, who knows?

The police do a darn fine job considering that you don't hear about the thousands of good news stories and incident-free interactions that happen every day.

Of course, the media is going to focus on isolated incidents like this because it sells newspapers and advertising.

We're far better off with the RCMP than without them.

"We're far better off with the RCMP than without them."
I agree to a point MrPG but the problem is that we have certain people working for the RCMP that shouldn't be. Some of these guys have the same items on their priority lists that crooks have on theirs.

I agree heidi, like any organization there are going to be some 'bad' employees or wrong decisions made. I'm just not sure that one bad decision, or an incident like this makes you a 'bad' employee. There are no simple solutions.

As I said, the vast majority of police do a good job, we just don't hear about it much.

MR PG,

The RCMP may do some good things, this is something that I will be the first to say! However there is more and more of this business coming to light. If they are KILLING people or allowing people to be killed or kill themselves in police custody and then try to cover it up, or at least present the perception that they are covering it up then what have we got going for us? Everytime that someone is killed by police that kinda takes away from that time the nice Mr. policeman saved your cat or stopped someone for going 2 or 3 kms over the speed limit.

What is really needed is better screening and training for new/current officers, as well as civilian oversight. I mean come on, investigate themselves?! Do you really think that the crown would let a suspected killer investigate himself or herself? Not bloody likely! And it's not hard to guess the outcome of that investigation is it? The same is true of our "pals" in blue.

It would be nice to say "hey no problem, mistakes happen, don't worry about it!" but these men and women are supposed to be the people that you go to for help, security, and protection! They carry all manner of weapons most of them deadly, and are to be highly trained. Yet a drunk 19 year old boy in police custody can overpower a "highly" trained service member and wind up dead? And what of the officer responsible? Well the police pretty much finished their investigation and guess what kind of disipline the office is facing .......................................................................None that I have heard of! Another job well done by the RCMP for the RCMP!

Again, I'm not in disagreement. Screening needs to be better, but how do you screen someone to insure something like this never happens? What question do you ask or what training do you provide which will prevent 100% of these kinds of incidents in the future? It's easy to say these sorts of things, but without anything to back them up, they're just words.

And again, regarding the isolated incidents, I couldn't comment on them because I wasn't there. The only account of these stories are given to us by the media, and they are completely unbiased, right? ;-)

And regarding the civilian oversight idea. Good one, until a cop gets aquitted then everyone accuses the civilian group of being on the take.

Well I guess the only answer would be to have video cams of all shapes and sizes on every officer, in every police car and in every single breathing space a suspect is present. If they can make a large number of tasers and equip as many officers as they do this camera idea shouldn't be too hard to pull off.

If the camera "goes missing", "is turned off" or is altered in any such way the officer should be fined a months pay and the ones above him should be personally fined a hefty one. Tough love.

Us citizens instead of putting up with this "police state" behaviour should somehow turn it around and make it a citizens state.

Thats right Heidi and that goes for our guns as well.
Fear the gov that fears your guns.

I like the Citizens' state idea.
metalman.

Good luck recruiting anyone into the RCMP if that were the case... outside of all the armchair cops in this thread of course.

...lol...MrPG...if there were as many good cops as you say then they'd gladly strap on a camera...nothing to hide so why should they worry? As for recruiting if they knew this was mandatory uniform (cam. on) i'm sure that wouldn't stop them...just remember why people join in the first place. New, fresh and innocent virgin officers..Let's keep em that way!!

;) Have a great weekend...I'll be watching you through my lens ;).....lol.

Of course, who else gets paid when they screw up? Not too many.

I have squinty eyes too I hope that doesn't mean I'll be shot or tazered just because.

Yikes, me eyes are squinty too. Time to get some toothpicks and prop those babies wide open. Anyone by chance that has this syndrome born in winter months? Just curious.

The comment posted that this investigation/ charges has gone on too long, complimented with the swept under the carpet theory holds very true. Lawyer strategy at its finest here, and unfortunately it does have an effect. Slowly the general public will drone the events from their psyche. Only the truly affected will persistently remember. It's terrible manipulation, only one solution, retaliate and fuel the fire by pressuring those responsible.

What police state Heidi? I never have considered our society to be a police state. Then again I've never considered physically attacking a police officer. There is not much sympathy out there for those that do. Sometimes when you play with the bull you get the horn. If you think this is a police state then move to North Korea.

Agreed Pete... I think it's easy to forget and take for granted how good things are in Canada compared to many other countries.

Chilako pete writes..."Then again I've never considered physically attacking a police officer"

Who attacked a police officer?

Posted by: MrPG on July 3 2008 10:53 PM
Agreed Pete... I think it's easy to forget and take for granted how good things are in Canada compared to many other countries.


You could be sitting in north korea and say the same thing about many other countries.
Saying how much better things are in Canada as compared to some other country is only relative, Right?
That doesn't mean we should stop trying to improve things we see that are just not right, does it?
Because it's so good here as compared to over there then we should just be thankful and take what they give us?
Me, I'm not a sheep.

When you get stopped in a rd block and the cop asks you where you are going, it's none of their business really. Thats kind of police stateish.

You're right, lost. Some people are 'glass half empty' people and that will never change. I prefer to count the blessings of living in this country rather than always trying to find fault.

As for roadblocks, I've driven through a few and have never been asked where I was going.

""police state" behaviour" behaviour being keyword.

That's the other problem...... only reading what you want to read then in your mind turn it into a violent struggle where the officer feared for his life.

I open my eyes to all the good officers do. Why can't you open your eyes to the bad they do?

Maybe I wasn't clear in my other posts heidi, so I'll spell it out. I realize bad judgments happen from time to time. I realize that there are bad cops out there.

Do I have all the answers as to how to avoid situations like this or screen out the 'bad' cops? No, and neither does anyone else.

The police do a heck of a lot more good than bad. The media tends to focus on the bad ones. There are far more 'good' police officers than 'bad' ones. Unlike many on here, I don't have an axe to grind with the police and see their work as mostly good.

This is not a perfect world. If anyone has any idea how to make it so, then I'm all ears.

Thanks for your input MrPG now can chilako pete spell it out for me now please.

Does the said constable have the number 007 preceding his badge number? Seems to me a lot of them have.