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Flood Risk Consultants Hear More Ideas

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Thursday, July 17, 2008 04:36 AM

l-r Bill Cheung of McElhaney Engineering, City Engineer Dave Dyer, and Bruce Welch of  NHC the Hydrology company  which authored the  flood risk report , listen to comments from those in attendance.
Prince George, B.C. - Only a handful of residents attended the public meeting on the flood risk analysis report at the Prince George Civic Centre last night. On hand were five presenters, two City Councilors, 2 members of the media and about 20 residents.
Although the report is the same as the one presented to Council on July 7th, this was the first opportunity the public has had to discuss the interim report with it’s authors.
Bruce Welch, one of the hydrologists behind the study, says there are some things that still need to be done, including setting up models to see what will happen if a dyke is placed at river’s edge, or if a set back dyke is put in place, or if the Nechako River is dredged. “Dredging would do little to offset the impact of the freshet” says Welch, but he adds the idea is still on the table for discussion because no one is certain what impact dredging might have in preventing an ice jam event.
The report’s authors had met with reps from industry earlier in the day. “There was a lot of discussion about the raising of River Road” says City Engineer Dave Dyer. He says the raising of the road was a project that had been underway for more than a year, and the meeting was an opportunity to clarify details and bring everyone up to speed on that project. “We advised them of the various options available with the River Road area, including the side channel, including several locations for dykes, so mostly the discussion was about River Road.” 
The report authors left with a list of things which need to be considered before any final flood mitigation plan is adopted, things like; flows from the Skins Lake Spillway, the impact of groundwater on the north side of the Nechako River,  the impact of increased flows in normally slow back channels because of dykes created in other areas, potential for erosion when water is diverted and  re-opening channels which have been covered in, or which nature tried to carve out during the ice jam flood event.
The final report on phase one of the flood analysis will be delivered November 15th and another round of public consultation will take place in early December.

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The following quote is from the story posted here yesterday.

"The interim report indicated that while dredging would have little effect to reduce the incidence of ice jam flooding, it also says there needs to be further work done on the possibility of dredging to reduce risk from the spring freshet."

The following quote from this story today seems like none of these people know what the hell they are doing or talking about.
They are contradicting themselves.
We don't need people like this dipping into our tax dollars.
Heads need to roll.

"Dredging would do little to offset the impact of the freshet” says Welch, but he adds the idea is still on the table for discussion because no one is certain what impact dredging might have in preventing an ice jam event."

Model ....... one can make a model when one knows all the informtion.

I doubt they have sufficient information to model the many possibilities of an ice jam for a number of reasons:

1. ice can be lodged in a number of places.
2. ice floes can vary in size depending on time of breakup as well as water flow
3. weather conditions change over the life of an ice jam, again changing the restriction to flow
4. the research work on icejams in rivers is likely minimal compared to research on standard flow through various channel profiles.

So, I would like to hear some reports about veracity of ice jam modelling.

Modelling water flows in non-freezing situations is a different story. The main thing there is having sufficient information about the channel profiles, especially at the confluence of the two rivers, and having various flow regimes as determined by the dam as well as the watershed of the two rivers. I would think that they have historic data to rely on for that. But, perhaps they have never tied reservoir release to flow rates and water levels at PG so they are unsure about the relationships. It might not even matter.