Well, interesting.

Does this mean we can look towards the UN, to help the taxpayers with paying for all the social programs the First Nation enjoy.

“Holder says Enbridge has been dealing with aboriginal communities on an individual basis rather than under the First Nations umbrella. She says “60 percent of the aboriginal communities along our right-of-way have signed equity agreements for the pipeline. There are some First Nations who are opposing but I would not say, by any means, that it’s all of them. And those who are opposed we continue to have dialogue and we have many ways in which we hope we can partner with aboriginal communities that will benefit us as well as benefit them.”

So why the UN if it is only some of the First Nations opposing the pipeline? Enbridge wouldn’t be telling us stories would they?

Enbridge is an energy bridge, not a social bridge. That would be Sobridge. ;-)

All these “First Nation’s Nations would be wise to having all 51 or more (overlapping) of them here in BC apply to the UN for a voice (fulltime) and a desk too to represent them when it comes to dealing with the “Nation of Canada”. If the “Freemen” can set up an embassy in a rental unit belonging an old lady, why not First Nations folk? The then First Nation seats in the UN can be backed up by Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Russia and China. They all care for their people as much as Canada does? Who’s yer friend, eh?

I love it when all the experts start posting here.

Another black eye for Canada on the international stage! And a good thing too!!!

The Harper and Christy show are turning the Joint Review Panel (JRP) into an obsolete joke! Imagine “issuing permits to Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipelines “for drilling and tree removal” in their territories.”

Enbridge must be very confident (100% sure) that the JRP will be recommending approval of their proposed pipeline to spend money on their “proposed” pipeline right-of-way drilling and for tree removal. Maybe they know something we don’t? Something stinks badly here and it’s not just Tar Sands Oil.

Harper has made a compete joke of the Environmental Assessment Review process… we don’t even live in a democracy anymore, and no one seems to care!

I say bring in the UN, we have stopped being a democratic country and need protection from Heir Harper and his Gestapo.!!!

Hey good idea, maybe the UN can do something about all of the overlapping land claims, as Harb referred to.

The UN has no jurisdiction in Canada.

I doubt that this geotech drilling has anything to do with Enbridge. Its more likely geotechnical drilling for LNG routes as this has been going on for some time. I checked the reason for decision database on the lands site and nothing has been approved for Enbridge.

http://www.arfd.gov.bc.ca/ApplicationPosting/index.jsp

Even if this drilling was (it could very well be) for enbrige the govt still needs a proper assessment through condemnation drill results in order to make an informed decision.

The UN is a farce.

“The UN has no jurisdiction in Canada.”

Easy to say, but not quite true. There is a notion of universal jurisdiction which has been evolving over recent time.

It expresses he opinion that no state should be a safe haven for those who have committed genocide, crimes against humanity, extrajudicial executions, war crimes, torture, etc.

It does not even have to go through the UN. An example would be the USA’s “Protect America Act” which asserts jurisdiction over terror-suspects on a worldwide basis.

As they say, might is right, both in that case and in the case of Canada versus its aboriginals.

northman states; “I doubt this geotechnical drilling has anything to do with Enbridge.”

Wrong!

“Enbridge is said to be seeking temporary permits for drilling and tree removal for the yet to be approved Northern Gateway pipeline.”

blog/view/28765/3…%3C/enbridge+warned+not+to+tresspass

The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples was adopted by the General Assembly in 2007. 144 nations voted in support. 4 nations voted against – Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the USA. All were the colonial “children” of mainly the UK, France and Spain, all of which voted to support the declaration.

The four countries have since endorsed the declaration. The Harper government of Canada adopted it in 2010. ;-)

You are correct gus!

“The United Nations has been primarily responsible for the prosecution of crimes against humanity since it was chartered in 1948.[13] The International Criminal Court (ICC) was organized by the Rome Statute and the UN has delegated several crimes against humanity cases to the ICC.[14] Because these cases were referred to the ICC by the UN, the ICC has broad authority and jurisdiction for these cases.[citation needed] The ICC acting without a UN referral lacks the broad jurisdiction to prosecute crimes against humanity, and cannot prosecute many cases, particularly if they occur outside of ICC-member nations.”
*Wikipedia

I doubt the UN will directly intervene at this stage, however First Nations are smart in providing information to the UN on the Aboriginal rights infringements early in the process. It will serve to show the UN that they are within their rights to assert ever increasing methods of resistance to protect their rights!

Heir Harper and his Gestapo signed the UN Declaration on the Right of Indigenous People, which affords Indigenous Peoples the world over the right to protect their land (food) and water. This is a basic right that Enbridge, Harper and Christy directly threatens.

People: “Harper signed the UN Declaration on the Right of Indigenous People, which affords Indigenous Peoples the world over the right to protect their land (food) and water. This is a basic right that Enbridge, Harper and Christy directly threatens.”

What about the hundreds of thousands of km of pipe already in the ground? By the way some talk, you would think that this is the first pipeline ever constructed.

People #1. On I’m wrong am i? There is still no public proof out there that enbrige is doing geotech drilling as there has yet to be any govt documents posted. I will take my local knowledge of this area over your regurgitated second hand information!!

This is the only application on file under Enbridge name

Application made in September 2006
http://www.arfd.gov.bc.ca/ApplicationPosting/viewpost.jsp?PostID=6890

Client: Enbridge Gateway Pipelines Inc.
Purpose: INDUSTRIAL/MISCELLANEOUS
Region: Skeena, Smithers
Agency: N/A
File: #6407803Sept 13, 2006
Location: KITIMAT ARM

Legal Description: Unsurveyed Crown foreshore being part of the bed of the (Douglas Channel) Kitimat Arm, Range 4, Coast District

Drawings of proposed bore holes in Douglass channel
http://www.arfd.gov.bc.ca/ApplicationPosting/images/icons/mime-pdf.gif

No decisions have been made for this application at this time.

Someone else accessed that file just over an hour ago.

Or you could quit posting hearsay news articles which by the way is the only thing your good at and just file an FOI request with the government.

That wasnt directed at you Gus…

JB: What about the hundreds of thousands of km of pipe already in the ground?

We do not know. The declaration was signed in 2010 by Canada. In reading some background material of why it took so long it was because the four countries have a bit of a unique situation …. although there are many more new world countries in North and South America. Even some Asian as well as African countries could be considered as such in the application of that declaration’s intent.

The concern is that the words were not well defined …. guess it simply has to go to court if anyone wants to test the meaning of the words.

As is frequent in such cases, it comes down to goodwill and equity.

In my opinion, having the government make decisions for First Nations at this time in our history does not bode well.

Thanks fro the clarification, northman. Also, thanks for the link. I was not aware of that, but also never had the need to research that type of information. A bit sparse I find. I do not know what the rules are.

The one I am most concerned about is whether a subsidiary or contractor could file for a permit, in which case it would be easy to hide.

northman states; “I will take my local knowledge of this area over your regurgitated second hand information!!”

Hmm… northman is calling 250 news a source of regurgitated second hand information… yet seems more than willing to post his comments on this site.

So I am not suppose to quote previous 250 news articles when I am commenting on this 250 news article because it is regurgitated second hand information?

Wow, good thing you don’t make the rules on this site northman!

It would have to have a land act tenure or special use permit issued through lands. Oh wait. It could have been issued through the oil and gas commission. I don’t even have the will or time to navigate through that site. Ether way the drilling has to be done in even if before a decision is made on the project. Even if the project isn’t approved the drill sites are low impact and easily reclaimed.

No no no people#1 your the one regurgitating second hand info which by the way is significantly outdated. Don’t try to spin this on op250 in order to polish your damaged reputation here. Have you ever thought that maybe some news sources could be wrong as well?

northman states; “Have you ever thought that maybe some news sources could be wrong as well?”

Yes I have northman just as much in fact as I have considered that some of your comments could be wrong as well.

I just used a 250 news article that states the opposite of your assumption that the proposed drilling and tree clearing is NOT pipeline related. If you think that 250 news is wrong and you are right, wouldn’t your argument be with 250 news and not me?

I, and most people, are just looking for the truth northman, either the drilling and tree clearing is directly related to the proposed pipeline, or it is not related at all to the proposed pipeline.

It would be nice if Enbridge could confirm this themselves, but we all know how “open, honest and transparent” they can be… right Enbridge?

Sorry for posting so much, but I just thought of another authoritative source that could confirm to us whether Enbridge’s tree clearing and drilling is related to their proposed pipeline. 250 news should be able to get that information from good ole Bond or Zimmer.

They are our representatives after all, and surely Shirley can provide that information to us… right Shirley? Don’t hold your breath people!!!

Is this an issue of trespassing or specific native tribes trying to act like idiots? If enbridge is truly trespassing

Then, go for UN invervention.

OKA?

The UN?? seriously? That institution has lost all credibility years ago. Mugabe the human rights warrior will be all over this.

To some extent I would distinguish between the UN as a whole and its Human Rights Comission. The UN does many worthwhile things, but the UNHCR has very little credibility since it is dominated by countries with poor human rights records. It serves mostly as the UN’s main forum for the expression of anti-Semitism.

The value of bringing the situation of First Nations in Canada to the attention of the UN is primarily the publicity, not the possibility of coercion by the UN or even the minimal moral force of the UNHCR.

Just because other countries have ‘worse’ human rights records than Canada is no excuse for us to justify violating human rights! We are Canadian and should treat all Canadians with dignity and respect simply because we all want to be treated that way

“It serves mostly as the UN’s main forum for the expression of anti-Semitism.”

I don’t suppose that has anything to do with the entire creation of the state of Israel and the treatment of the Palestinian people since that huge mistake made by the British.

Given the time in history compared to most other colonial endeavours by such old colonialists as Britain I would think Israel and whoever else participated in that whole process ought to have some responsibility for what has happened there and continues to happen.

I wish there were a term such as anti-Semitism Canadian aboriginals could use when speaking about those who came across the seas to take over this land without providing them with some sort of statehood. A word which conjures up such disdain.

Perhaps there are words such as that but we do not hear them in politically correct times.

I thinks we are ultimately talking about basic human rights as listed in the UN Declaration on the rights of Indigenous Peoples. The Government of Canada signed on to this declaration on November 10, 2010.

I like the following quote on human rights made by Martin Luther King Jr. :

“Commit yourself to the noble struggle for human rights. You will make a greater person of yourself, a greater nation of your country and a finer world to live in.”

I do NOT like the following human rights quote made by Stephen Harper:

“Human rights commissions, as they are evolving, are an attack on our fundamental freedoms and the basic existence of a democratic society… It is in fact totalitarianism. I find this is very scary stuff.”

If I was First Nations living in Canada, I would be very afraid. Harper is very scary stuff!!!

What malarkey people1. What ever in the world should natives in Canada worry about? We pay 100% of the nut for cradle to grave benefits for them as you well know. And what do they contribute? reverse racism is what I see.

Thanks for those words of wisdom, contractor. Yu have restored my faith that prejudice is alive and well in Canada, and especially in PG.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/we-are-all-responsible-for-the-plight-of-canadas-first-nations/article546806

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/first-nations-housing-in-dire-need-of-overhaul-1.981227

Political correctness is a big part of why there are so many problems today.

These guys are the only local people with the balls to take on Enbridge and Harper!

Christy Clark has now agreed on terms and conditions with Alberta, without any public consultation.

Remember when Enbridge said that if they could not convince people along their route, then they would abandon their proposal?

Northern Gateway is like a bad fart in an enclosed space. And conservatives sit beside the windows and refuse to get fresh air. They actually thinks it smells good!

I would like the Yinka Dene alliance to start a fundraiser. I will contribute!

“Political correctness is a big part of why there are so many problems today.”

I totally agree.

That is why I like the Governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie. He is not afraid to use words like stupid if he thinks people are stupid. He tells it like it is.

BUT, he is also a very compassionate person, and a very humble person.

One needs to be up front with people. He seems to be, and the fact that people like him shows it.

Politically correctnes in northern BC is don’t say anything against natives but its fine to say something against whites

Just attention grabbing by early Asian immigrants. Just politics, looking for gain.

Some history of the UN bias against Israel and the whole Arab Israeli conflict. Early Asian immigrants are just trying to pull the Arab stance.

Go to the link below makes for an interesting read. I can see the heads exploding now.

“This anti-Israel stance of the UN is a natural consequence of its membership structure. 21 members of the UN are Arab countries, and 52 members represent Islamic countries. Since the Arab Israeli conflict is represented as a religious conflict (see article) Israel as the only Jewish state has no chance for a fair hearing in the UN.”

http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict.asp