Northern Gateway? We don’t need no stinkin’ Northern Gateway!

Lots of luck with these proposals. We are a day late and a dollar short when it comes to exporting Natural Gas. It all hinges on getting 30 years contracts, and getting the right price in place.

The only we BC can compete is to basically give the gas to the exporting companies.

Kinda late getting off our asses with everybody and his brother eventually selling LNG. No high prices until manufactured shortages. Just you wait.

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2013/11/18/canada-ranks-worst-in-developed-world-on-climate-policy-european-report/

Gotta like those coal exports, money to be made. Thanks China
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4095221/

People#1 They should take their data off land mass instead of population which would make Canada the lowest emitter of greenhouse gases. After all most of the resources are exported and used by other countries which makes them complicit. That is definitely the pot calling the kettle black.

cougs78; you do realize Canada is the seventh largest emitter of green house gases in the world don’t you? Who cares how they measure it, by land mass, per capita population, etc.

The Fact remains the millions of tons of CO2 Canada pumps into the air does not change! And unfortunately that is what is changing our climate.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-05/canada-s-oil-sands-co2-emissions-rise-as-production-grew

So people#1if man’s c02 affects climate which no one has proof it does, how much of an effect would Canada have eliminating it’s contribution of c02? You must have a figure? Are you talking just man made or including natural c02? Are you including all ghg’s or just c02? You seem confused.

Hate to break this bit of news to you seamut, but the debate about global warming is over, many cities and communities are already taking action to mitigate the effects of climate change.

“Local governments may adjust disaster response plans to accommodate changes in weather patterns. The city of Philadelphia recently implemented an emergency response plan to limit the health impact of increasingly frequent heat waves on its population. Philadelphia officials estimate that their heat response plan has already reduced heat-related deaths.”

“More extreme and expensive adaptations may become necessary in some regions. Thawing permafrost and increased storms, windiness and coastal erosion are now putting at least 166 communities at risk in Alaska. Moving each community to safer areas will cost an estimated 30 to 50 million dollars per village, estimates the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. Six communities have already decided to relocate.”

“For individuals, governments, and businesses, adapting to climate change requires understanding and accepting the risks of regional climate change, assessing the immediate and long-term costs and benefits of adaptation strategies, and implementing adaptations that bring the most benefits relative to the cost and risk.”

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/blogs/climateqa/what-can-we-do-about-global-warming-2/

Global warming is here, and it’s effects are only just beginning to present themselves.

Canada emits 560 million tons of co2 per year (2012), that is 1.6 percent of global emissions down from 1.8 in 2008. World Bank has Canada at less emissions than your friendly Wiki though I used wiki numbers

China has increased its co2 output by 2.828 billion tonnes annually since 2008 which is 5 times what we put out annually just in increases never mind the total.

Volcanoes spit out 600 million tonnes a year, long thought to be 100-200 million but a study from February of this year states volcanoes have not suddenly started to spew more co2 but they have been doing this volume pretty much all along as our understanding of volcano emissions improves. To date we have measured the output of 33 of the 150 active volcanoes. If one considers all those spewing co2 as well as active that number grows to over 500 volcanoes today around the globe.

The science ain’t settled people. That’s a fact. Hate to break it to you. I’m sure that won’t change your position. Facts tend to have little impact on your wiring.

People#1 just answer my questions, can’t be to hard can it.

Hey news flash Alps have been cooling for decades must be that warming.

Meteorologists Stupefied Into Silence! Data From Alps Show Marked Cooling Over Last 2-3 Decades! – See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2013/11/22/austrian-meteorologists-stupefied-into-silence-data-from-alps-show-marked-cooling-over-last-2-3-decades/#sthash.JeIYW8kI.dpuf

People#1 you also never answered what you think of Gore’s 300 million.

Oh what you said about governments, that is politics not science. Politicians just follow the wind whichever way it blows, you should know that.

Canada is sitting at 8th in total emissions, 14th by per capita, near the hundreds when by land area

Canada has 9,984,670 sq km. There is a total of 148,429,000 square kms of land in the entire world. Canada is 6.73 percent of the total landmass of the earth.

IPCC states that the total landmass of the earth emits 439 billion tonnes per year and absorbs 450 billion tonnes per year. So it is a net sink of 11 billion tonnes per year. Canada absorbs 6.73 percent of that – or 740 million tonnes per year. We emit 560 million manmade co2 so we are a net sink.

True you are Slinky. Wisconsin emits more CO2 than western Canada, but you won’t hear about that. It’s far more glamorous for the entitled ones to attack the oil sands.

Another IPCC AR4 factoid, land emits 439 billion tonnes and oceans 332 billion tonnes and manmade 29 billion tonnes. So manmade emissions are 29/800 or 3.625 percent of the total co2 emissions worldwide. Of that Canada is 1.6 percent, or .058 percent of total global co2.

As a country we have absolutely no impact on the global co2 equation. If we can ship natural gas to china and lower their carbon footprint that is a bonus, IPCC states ghg emissions would drop by 46% for their power generation.

Climate change has been going on for millions of years. So what’s the big deal?

slinky; you can come up with all kinds of numbers on total emissions. That does not change the fact that the latest internal government report confirms Canada is not close to being on track to meet its promised target for emissions cuts by the year 2020.

In fact, the Environment Canada analysis released Thursday October 24, 2013 indicates the country slipped backward in 2012 in terms of achieving the government’s greenhouse gas emissions target under the Copenhagen Accord.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-won-t-come-close-to-meeting-emissions-target-environment-canada-1.1511806#ixzz2mHZflA1w

Once again Canada has reneged on it’s international commitment to achieve it’s 17% reduction target. Just one more reason why the rest of the world views Canada as a fossilized petro-state, undermining world wide efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

It’s a shared air shed (atmosphere) people, and Canada needs to start living up to it’s international commitments to do it’s share in protecting it.

Apparently more than a billion Chinese people exhale CO2 every second of their existence. Does that count?

Maybe those Chinese should have an annual, “Hold yer breath day”. Just like we have Earth Day. Could work.

Don’t forget the Cattle Industry. GHG emissions from cattle account for about 10% of Canada’s Green House Gas emissions.

Belching 55% Respiration 25% Flatulence 20%.

GHG from cattle is methane gas, which is much worse that carbon dioxide emissions.

Soooo. Do we stop raising cattle??

People, have you even remotely contemplated, what your policies would do to the economy?
Not long ago you were ranting the new lefty credo of child poverty. If you think it’s bad now, wait till you and your ilk are done.

Please don’t say the economy will be just fine with the unemployed building solar panels.

Interesting though is the fact that IPCC AR4 states that man made co2 has been affecting climate since the industrial age began. Considering that the ocean and land can absorb 17 billion tonnes more than they emit annually (IPCC AR4 numbers) and we didn’t reach the 17 billion tonnes of man made co2 until the mid 70s, if their graph is to be believed it would suggest the co2 increase to that point had no bearing on man made emissions but was rather a part of the global cycle after the little ice age of 1850.

Gimme a break People#1, we are still a net sink

Harbinger, it has been widely contested that people are a net zero, they breathe out what they take in of co2. But what they haven’t put in their calculations is that agriculture (growing the food we eat) accounts for upwards of 19 to 29% of the total co2 emissions per country. If we all stop eating we can put an end to global warming, hey People#1?

Ha, ha, ha, you people make it look like it is impossible to move away from fossil fuels and towards clean green energy!

Gee… if a small country like Denmark can do it, maybe we can too?

“The Danish government recently announced a $5.2 billion investment to modernize the country’s rail system and put new trains on the tracks to replace the old ones. The new trains will be high speed, electrically driven, and will pollute far less. It represent the biggest single investment in infrastructure in Denmark’s history and will reduce CO2 emissions significantly.”

“Funding for the project will come from restructuring the country’s resource taxation system: by forcing 11 oil companies that drill in the seabed of Denmark’s North Sea to pay a higher tax.”

– See more at: http://www.occupy.com/article/exclusive-denmark-announces-61-tax-oil-companies-fund-clean-rail-project#sthash.kYP7ofRE.dpuf

Yes people, apparently the sky is falling in Denmark… LOL. Yeah, keep thinking about how we can’t do it; that’s the Conservative mindset!!!

Gee, all these other countries are putting their money where their mouths are by investing BILLIONS of dollars into environmentally friendly technologies and initiatives. What is Canada doing???? Oh yeah we are investing heavily in fossil fuels, because BIG OIL & GAS run this country!

Oh for crying out loud!! You cannot compare Denmark to Canada in terms of climate policies, people#1, especially when once again you’re quoting politics not science. Denmark has aging infrastructure, is primarily an agricultural economy and has always had high taxes to support its social welfare and education systems. Try a more logical comparison, like perhaps the USA? Vancouver island is larger than Denmark didn’t you know?

…oh what the heck I HAVE to say it:

Besides, everyone knows HAARP is responsible for global warming but the illuminati protect their interests….

;-)

Peaple#1 I have given you links how messed up Denmark’s so called energy system and they depend on coal fired generation green is not working out worth a dam. The EU’s economy is failing due to rising energy costs from getting sucked into the scam.

You have never addressed the facts myself and others have provided. All you ever do is rehash old rhetoric.

What do you do cover eyes and go la la la?

I doubt Ontario’s hydro consumers aren’t really happy campers about their hydro bills going up for the next twenty years due to their Lib governments green policy. Spain is now taxing solar panels. Who da thunk it?

Taxing THE USE of solar panels to be more specific.

Umm… commoner…comparing Canada to Denmark is much more closer than comparing Canada to the USA which has a population 100 times larger than ours, and is also a “Super Power” in military terms with budget approaching 1 trillion dollars, a military budget bigger that Canada’s entire national budget.

Ontario is a turd circling the bowl thanks to Dulton’s green policies. Its there for all to see people. Harper is responsible to not follow the scam.

I think most posters here agree with environmental protection. Using the best technologies available. But Suzuki and his followers are so far off the charts that most rational thinkers are tuning them out, which is hurting their cause, not helping. Ironic.

” Umm… commoner…comparing Canada to Denmark is much more closer than comparing Canada to the USA which has a population 100 times larger than ours, and is also a “Super Power” in military terms with budget approaching 1 trillion dollars, a military budget bigger that Canada’s entire national budget.”

…um…are you comparing the climate argument or military? LOL…make up your mind.

…and I guess it’s ok to compare Canada to Denmark because Canada has a population 6 times greater and geographically is a monster in size – sure…lol…nothing like comparing a mustard seed to pumpkin! Some real fuzzy logistics there.

Don’t inhale – it’s affecting your ability to think critically there…

Also, the American budget exceeds 3 trillion and if you account for debt interest you’re looking at closer to 5 trillion – so, until you have your facts straight and a clean logical mind, bite me!

You don’t think Denmark is exporting fossil fuels People#1?

BC is 22 times larger than Denmark, has 1 million less people and exports up to 300,000 barrels a day from its 11 off shore drilling platforms. BC exports what, maybe 20,000 barrels a day drilled provincially? (rest comes from Alberta) And how many off shore platforms do we have here?

Trains as public transit do not work here, they do in the EU because of the size of the countries. The EU is 4,422,773 square km and produces over 4 billion tonnes of co2 annually. Canada is 9,984,670 sq km or 2.25 times the size. Canada has a co2 output of 560 million tonnes a year. Another way to look at it – we are 22 times the size of Denmark and produce 26% more emissions.

Summary:

Denmark 4.5% the landmass of BC
Denmark has 74% the co2 emissions of BC

EU is 44% the landmass of Canada
EU has 7.15 times the co2 output of Canada

correction “BC is 22 times larger than Denmark, has 1 million less people and Denmark exports up to 300,000 barrels a day from its 11 off shore drilling platforms”

Better comparing ourselves to a country 6 time small than us than your suggestion for to Canada compare itself to the USA which is 100 time larger than us.

I only stated the US defence budget which was close to Canada’s national budget in size, why would I want to state the total US budget size?

You seem to lack some important comprehension skills, critical thinking skills, and lack an ability to apply deductive logic / reasoning to effectively present your counter points. Might want to brush up on those skills before we engage in a debate, now go back to the shallow end of the swimming pool, you are in way over your head here.

So what does land mass have to do with a country’s ability to go green slinky? Why are you even bringing up the physical size of countries? SO WHAT if the EU is only 44% the size of Canada but has 7.15 times the co2 output of Canada!

The combined population of the EU is more than 500 million people, thats about 14 times more people than Canada. WOW… so the EU, 14 time bigger in population only produces 7 times the amount of co2 than Canada which is 14 times smaller in population. I am impressed, in other words the average person in the EU produces half the amount of co2 that the average Canadian produces.

Anthropogenic climate warming means human caused climate warming, therefore size of population is a better indicator of which countries contribute more or less to atmospheric co2 per capita.

Cherry picking data haphazardly doesn’t strengthen debate skills, people#1, it merely paints you for the spin artist you so blatantly appear to be. Ignoring the impact studies as it suits you is only cute in elementary school. Deep debate is something you are incapable of. Theatrics, on the other hand, you seem fully capable of.

BC made the right decision in regards to LNG. Industry will decide if it is worth their efforts. I wish them luck. Energy diversification is rarely a negative move for any nation.

commoner states; “BC made the right decision in regards to LNG.”

That’s kind of funny when Physicians, Scientists and Engineers applaud the Honorable Andrew M. Cuomo;
Governor of New York State’s, decision to delay high volume hydraulic fracturing until science is complete on it’s effects.

http://www.psehealthyenergy.org/events/view/160#sthash.TJ2nxiQR.dpuf

For those of you interested in professional and educated views and opinions on energy sources, please spend sometime browsing this reputable site internet site. They present facts and truths about energy sources without the political spin… just got to love pure science :-)