If the General Contractor was anyone other than Yellowridge the opening would have been 4 or 5 months ago like the original schedule showed.

red2b: anything else ‘nice’ to say?

red2b….bitch , bitch ,bitch….get a life man

Place looks great. PG should be proud. As far as my comment about the GC, that is my opinion. Another city funded project built by out of town contractors and completed late. Just sayin. Sorry Roadking, you work for them?

Looks cool. I’ll have to ask a goalie if they like those ice level windows though.

This is something that will certainly used to its full potential. Looks great. Nice work people.

Very nice. It puts the old Kin I to shame.

A nice, simple building that greatly improves what was initially built some 45 years ago.

I am glad to see it is not a palace like the RCMP building, although, as a building which will be used by a significant segment of the PG population, I certainly would not have been concerned it had more glass. I thought that was the original design’s intent.

I guess the sun really doesn’t shine on that side of the building in the winter, still would like to hear a goalies opinion.

Or does it ?

I agree with the others, looks like a great building and a very nice addition for the city.

middle finger, I could be mistaken but would those windows not face almost directly east?

The weather last winter and this summer affected completion schedules. Although Yellowridge was an out of town contractor they were cheaper then the local contractors. Yelowridge’s employees were local to pg including the superintendent. Had the city spent more to hire local I’m sure these comments pages would be flaming that decision just as well. The major trades ie: Mechanical, electrical , drywalling steel stud work, roofing, exterior cladding, and glazing are/were local contractors.

NMG…..yes they do.

The windows have electric blinds when needed

Really. That’s awesome !

“History quietly made….” Boy, do we feel good about ourselves eh? $16 million bucks? That’s more than I make in a year. History? Who makes up these headlines? I’ll believe we in Prince George makes history after we become the fourth item on any national newscast. Ukraine is making history right now as is Egypt, and Syria. Sure glad we have no lives lost in creating our own “history”. What a ‘burg we have. If our “history is this cheap and simple like this , maybe we can export it to other parts of the world. Bread and circuses. Works here. Carry on.

I could make everyone dizzy with links to images of ice arenas intended for hockey that had/have far more outdoor lighting that Kin1.

I will post two which may attract some controversy from goalies and building operators concerned about heat loss.

Squaw Valley – 1960, one side was fully open to the outdoors.
http://unofficialnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/skate.jpg

University of Michigan’s Yost ice arena built in 1923 ….. I believe they shaded the window for some of that period but have re-opened them again.
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/135231_10101253598106174_1900843051_o.jpg

As others have written, there will be very little sun coming in through those windows, especially since hockey season is during the part of the year which has the least amount of daylight. That is also the time when the sun is low on the horizon and subtends a very small angle in its daily position from southeast to southwest.

The other bit of a beef I have with the design is that the roof is not built out of structural timber. The wood visible on the ceiling is decorative, not structural.

One last one, Sydney, Australia.
http://www.sydneyicearena.com.au/schoolsport_clip_image002.jpg

So, I lied .. it was three … ;-)

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“The major trades ie: Mechanical, electrical , drywalling steel stud work, roofing, exterior cladding, and glazing are/were local contractors.”

Yes, that shows that whenever possible, locals are used to do the work, no matter where the contractor is located.

The thing that too many forget about is the conversely, no matter where the general contractor comes from, the materials they use do not come from PG. In fact, some do not even come from BC.

So, just rattling down those trades in the same order:

1. all motors, blowers, heaters, coolers, pipes, ducts, etc.

2. All cables, switches, lights, communications equipment, etc.

3. all drywall, taping, mud, screws, beaded edges, etc.

4. all steel studs and fasteners

5. all roofing materials, flashing, adhesives, etc.

6. all cladding and fasteners, building paper, etc.

7. all glass, frames and fasteners

Finally, all tools bought by tradesmen are made primarily elsewhere in Canada/USA and overseas.

So, it really does not bother me too much that we have local contractors on jobs, at least we have a good chance of getting access to some of the best.

so how long now until the users of Kin 2 and 3 start rattling their sabers to get their areas rebuilt?
RIGHT AFTER THE WINTER GAME I bet….
when will it happen???
shortly after they moan and groan… heaven forbid they lose out….
especially with this city council.

Someone bitching about a private contractor. By the comments on this site I thought private contractors where the cat meow at all times and the answer to everything. Hey contractor you out there somewhere to comment.

Nice digs anyhow.

The roof is in fact structural. Its 2×6 dimensional lumber pressed together to form 2′ slabs that span each bayline, they are anchored down to the steel with hundreds of bolts for every slab at each end, they are the roof to the building as well as a decorative ceiling. They are holding the large steel beams from flopping over like dominoes. All that is above them is insulation and the roofing membrane, and some electrical conduits so they wouldnt be visible from below to feed power to the lights.
None of the materials are manufactured in prince george. We dont have that type of industries or companies here capable of the manufacture when it comes to the wood panels . But they are manipulated to suit the building.

As far as local i wasnt referring to hardware. I meant the tradespersons and their employers.

Cool photos Gus, not really ice level windows though. Love that Sqauw Valley photo. They don’t make rectangle rinks like that anymore. Well, the Cominco arena in Trail is still a rectangle….lol.

looks nice have the puck frm last goal in old kin one

“tradespersons” … hehe…how pc.

This was the original drawings which went out to the public consultation.

Notice the entire east side was to be glazed.

They could have used some of the glass from the RCMP building ….. the RCMP building will be heated to a higher ambient temperature for the workers than the skating rink will be for the ice skaters/hockey players …. in addition the refrigeration system for the ice will generate “free” heat for the interior space….

http://princegeorge.ca/infocentre/publicconsultation/PublishingImages/kinse2.jpg

tradesmen …. I took some pictures during the construction. I saw the panels go up. They certainly are structural between the main steel girders. It is those girders that I was really intending to make my comments about. They could have been made of structural wood as well. The span is not that great, neither is the snow load. The curve actually creates a shell-like structure which makes it strong. Had it been a bit more complex and curved in the other direction as well, it would have been even stronger.

If it were just for the arched column/girders and the wood panels, the structure would collapse through shear stresses in the north south direction – as you state “flopping over like dominoes”. The fact that the “arched girder/columns” are one structural element provides a moment connection which adds to overcome north-south shear stresses. If such a structure, including the wood panels acting in part as “ties” were to stand on its own, without any other walls around it, it would likely not be strong enough to withstand wind and snow loads and would come down in the fashion you stated.

The triangulated ties that you see in the outside wall on the other side add the shear strength required for that purpose. Such ties would be located in several locations, plus the existing structure on the north as well as new structure on the south would act as buttresses to overcome the shear.

The curved roof, the single arched girder all act together, but still need that additional bracing.

BTW, I doubt that there are more than 4 to 6 or so bolts for each end of a 2 foot wide panel. There would certainly be hundreds in the entire roof.

Do you know whether the wood panels were cross laminated in the plant in the Okanagan?

This is the type of wood structure I thought they would be building when I saw the initial exterior views. This one is in Anahim, CA. Many more like it in the world.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OPWsy0jV2Uo/S_1IMarmm9I/AAAAAAAAAHA/TWJC9ZeLYHc/s1600/Disney%2Barena1.jpg

Too bad there wasnt a way to direct post pictures on here of the top side of the wood deck, i have hundreds of photos from time of tender to friday afternoon when i was doing a walkthrough with a colleague.
Regardless how it is built its a nice facility and not overdone like others tend to be, it will serve its function well and cost taxpayers far less to operate than the old one it stands in place of.

Too bad there wasnt a way to direct post pictures on here of the top side of the wood deck, i have hundreds of photos from time of tender to friday afternoon when i was doing a walkthrough with a colleague.
Regardless how it is built its a nice facility and not overdone like others tend to be, it will serve its function well and cost taxpayers far less to operate than the old one it stands in place of.

So when is the grand opening ? There will be smilin’ Shari Green, cutting the ribbon, hoping nobody can remember “arena-gate” from two and a half years ago.

Does it have Olympic sized seating?

I agree, it would be nice if pictures could be put right into the text box. They would still need to be uplinked to somewhere.

Here is a picture which is on this web site. The original version is large enough to show some details.

images/canadanorth%20015.jpg

The top steel flanges all have wooden nailing boards fastened to them to which, I presume, the laminated wooden decks are bolted. Unless there is a better connection there than it looks like to me, that would not be used to add to the structure that is there in other fashion.

The steel structure is actually tied through the steel fascia structure as well as steel sections that act as ties on top of the steel girders. They can be seen in the linked photo as well as from the underside of the arena between wood panels.

Unless I can see some better detail of the panel to steel connection, it does not look like this is a composite wood-steel structure.

I guess it is an improvement over using steel decking. :-)

The CN Centre has room to set up an Olympic sized hockey rink as well.

Do they not have Olympic sized seating for the press box …. ;-)

This picture was posted on this site earlier. It shows the steel ties along the length of the building. They are painted white, the same as the rest of the steel.

images/Kin1_newicesurface.jpg