Nice job if you can get it.. If each MP makes $100,000 a year they are making approx $4,686 a day they are in legislature.. As they sit for only 7 hrs a day that averages to about $670 an hr. Good thing to know they represent us… How ? I have no clue. Yet they keep raising Medicare etc on the retired.. Crooks

Hey did we, on this comment board, discuss this “news” before it even happened the other day?

Now that’s impressive ;-)

People. When it comes to politics you don’t need to use a crystal ball to see into the future.. Same sh@t different day or MP

Posted by: P Val on February 11 2014 4:38 AM
Nice job if you can get it.. If each MP makes $100,000 a year they are making approx $4,686 a day they are in legislature.. As they sit for only 7 hrs a day that averages to about $670 an hr. Good thing to know they represent us… How ? I have no clue. Yet they keep raising Medicare etc on the retired.. Crooks

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And you think they just lounge around in their PJ’s the rest of the time?

Of course not.. They have to get dressed up for the photos ops.

With the sessions the loonies head to the legislature lawn to spread the BS so lawns will be green and healthy this year.
One said that welfare rates should go significantly higher as under current rates they cannot partake in all the activities that they would like to. Too bad there are many families who WORK for a living that cannot do everything they would like. Social assistance is there to provide the basic necessities to help people over rough patches in their lives till they can get back on their feet and earn a living not provide a long term comfortable lifestyle. Seeing others have and do more should provide and incentive to get off welfare and the couch.
What is next-spring break in Disneyland for welfare recipients with school aged kids?

“One said that welfare rates should go significantly higher as under current rates they cannot partake in all the activities that they would like to.”
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Like eating, perhaps? Why don’t we just shoot them, if they’re such a drag on society? Might even be able to harvest them for body parts, which would have at least given them some economic purpose in life besides being a useless sponger.

For them, what they’re getting will never be enough ~ it’s kept that way to discourage more from joining them.

For the rest of us, however much they’re getting will always be too much. ‘Cause a lot of us that are still working, more all the time, in fact, aren’t really that far away from joining them so far as incomes go.

And if we figure we could climb up a notch or two by putting them down, literally, why not do it? End of problem ~ work or die.

There is a rub, though. Which most simply cannot get. If we didn’t have their continued ‘consumption’, they wouldn’t need our continued ‘production’. For we produce to consume, there’s no other sane reason for it.

But presently we can only ‘get’ money from our continued production. And if consumption falls off so does production, and pretty soon we’re where they are now.

Take the ‘money’ out of the equation. If any man’s continued production is of no economic advantage to himself or his fellow man, (and if it was, would he be unemployed?), how can his continued consumption be of any disadvantage?

Nobody can consume what hasn’t been produced. And the problem today isn’t that we don’t produce enough, it’s that we produce way too much. And making ‘more’ still, ain’t ever going to solve that problem. Why, just look at all the various ways we employ to try to restrict production now. And what happens when we don’t.

We always focus on the narrow aspects of the issue ~ how we can motivate the lazy to work. Or compel them, if motivation in other ways won’t work. It’s counter-productive. Wishing the terminally lazy on some poor employer is only going to force that employer to work harder himself trying to get some work out of that employee than he’d likely exert doing the job himself, or putting someone in it who actually WANTS to work. I’ve been in that exact position, of that employer, myself, and it’s hopeless.

All the while, in the bigger aspect of the issue, we continue to displace jobs apace with improvements to technology and mechanisation. That don’t really pay a commensurate ‘wage’ to anyone. It’s how we get our costs down, we say, as employers. And we’re right. Only those costs WERE somebody’s income. And they’re only deferred now, the costs, not disappeared like the incomes.

So how do we sell what we’ve just produced at the costs of its making if we haven’t distributed enough money to do that? For no matter how cheap we can make it, if there’s no income to buy it, how’s it going to be sold. And if those displaced find other jobs, their incomes are then the costs of THOSE jobs ~ and one income can’t ever liquidate two sets of costs.

What’s the answer? There is one, but we’re sure not going to find it where most have been looking.

How about them in session at least half of the year? How about them telling us what they do when not in session? These people do work for us, and in turn should be accountable to us.

When they are at “home” in their electoral zone it would be nice to know what they do. I know if my employees didn’t come to work but worked from home for 75% of the year I would want to see what they are doing.

Also,exactly what are all the perks they get. Do we pay for all their meals etc when in session? Who pays for where they stay ? How many staff do they bring with them? What is the REAL COST FOR EACH MEMBER TO THE TAX PAYER, Once you include all the extras.. $200,000 a year.. $300,000 a year ?

I came across a “Recall Ramsey” bumper sticker somewhere in my garage. I put it away. The only way I’ll find it again is if I stumble across it. Nice pension, tho.

The answer you seek Socred is obvious, but without a salesman selling it most will be to ignorant to see the way monetary policy enslaves us rather than liberates society. You speak often of the ills, but never of the solutions.

All to often we widen the divide between the ‘have nots’, and the ‘haves’ with more flat taxes, more required certifications, more rules, and less compassion.

A simple solution to start with would be a social credit (not unlike the quantitative easing for bailing out banksters), that is set on a scale of progressive flat taxation. The flatter the taxation the higher the levels of social credit limited by the level of poverty income.

If a far left progressive system taxes 90% of the income of the rich and hands out welfare, then we can truly call that wealth redistribution.

If a far right agenda is to have all pay a low 10% flat tax, and user fees to cover any services provided by government (ie regressive taxation models) while those that can’t get on the in die in the streets of poverty, then we tend to call that crony capitalism.

Either way taking care of the vulnerable in society has a cost to it. We all pay the hidden tax of inflation, its just not in your face when you have a rate of return that doesn’t factor in the real rate of return minus the cost of living increase.

If instead of printing money to bail out crooked banksters with a failed trickle down mentality proping up a monopoly capitalist society… if instead we took the Henry Ford model of economics and took the truly free enterprise ideology of creating equal opportunity for all to succeed in society based on the merits of their efforts… then we could one day realize that when printing money it should be shared equally throughout society (in monthly installments eliminating the term and need for welfare)… those that cover their basic needs and want to rise above would all be taxed a flat rate and encouraged to gain the benefits of hard work, and those that don’t would no longer be a burden on the system for choosing their lot in life. Social credit like bank bailouts comes from the inflation of the monetary supply, at a fixed rate this can be factored in better than any redistribution by politicians ever will be… and yes then debts can and will be able to be fully liquidated without the burn down the barn mentality of ‘free trade’ that is dismantling our economic viability and the middle class society.

Time Will Tell
In the future if we are to retain the semblance of a democracy, than this is the only natural extension of that economically. You are right Socred when you say all the parties represent the same ideology just with a different shade… that will change in our life times, we are on the cusp of a new awakening, just not quiet there yet… the ponzi scheme of bankster trickle down types is nearing its end, and then those with solutions will step forward, or die in the streets as vagrants to the new elite.

IMHO

The banksters in the central banks would never allow for social credit, because then they would loose their grip on power and their ability to manufacture monopoly capitalism with them at the top… that is where the revolution will take place. It will likely not go down well with them when it happens, and they will declare war on society, like they are preparing for now.

Socredible wrote: “….. Why don’t we just shoot them, if they’re such a drag on society? Might even be able to harvest them for body parts, which would have at least given them some economic purpose in life besides being a useless sponger.”

It takes work to shoot them and to harvest the body parts. Not sure what you would want to do with those. Implants? Doctors add even more work.

But remember “if there’s no income to buy it, how’s it going to be sold.”

You have put yourself into a real catch22, s you always do.

I can make some banknotes for you if you wish … but you would not be able to buy them, since I have to be paid for my labour.

;-)

If the country had social credit then it wouldn’t need a minimum wage. You could hire someone for $2 and hour to do it for you.

If a country had social credit you wouldn’t need a Revenue Canada, and all the accountants that go with them.

If a flat tax on revenue is good for the consumer (ie the HST), then why isn’t it good enough for the corporations, some of which pay no income taxes at all? Who really benefits from all the rules and regulations that govern power over people and free enterprise?