GOOD MORNING PG….. HAPPY EASTER LONG WEEKEND :)

Good morning everybody. Happy Easter to all. I would like to express a special Thank You to Ben. I hope it comes back to you ten fold Ben. You may have helped change my life forever. I’ll certainly let you know as it all unfolds.

Cheers

Taxi

Have a safe and enjoyable weekend everyone

I’ve always thought this temporary foreign worker program was wrong. Now we’re seeing employers abusing the system by hiring TFW over able bodied Canadians. I wonder what the Government was smoking at the time when they came up with a program like this.

Employers love it because they have a worker who is so paranoid about being sent back to where they came from that they’re willing to do whatever it takes to stay here. I think most business owners and managers get off trying to be little dictators anyway.

I say shut the program down RIGHT NOW! Hire and train able bodied Canadians first and foremost over any temporary worker and fine the business owners who abused the program big time for abusing the system.

EACH taxpayer in Great Britain currently pays 4000.00 a year out of their total taxes paid to support the welfare social assistance going to British citizens who have been pushed aside for the employment of temporary foreign workers. The British govt ,in an article,was criricizing Big Business for “backstabbing them and not folliwing rules;etc.” It’s the politicians and their cronyism and pork barrelling that started up these “temporary” progeams and opened up the flood gates to abuse. Switzeeland, Germany, etc have strong apprwnticeship and training programs for their youth and future where Corps have a responsibility to train and hite. Our economy is a delicate one and we need to be informed and vote for the right politician…..if there is such a thing

Saw the ultimate yesterday..
A fellow driving a driver training car…
TEXTING or on his cell phone for sure.

Good luck with that Mercenary. There are programs going on here right now training foreign workers to fill the so called skills shortage gap. Once these folks get finished their training they take jobs that Canadians could fill and apply for immigration papers. Part of their training includes work visas. They work hard as they love it here and want to stay. Employers love it! Tutition for these foreign students is 3 times + what Canadians pay so the training institutions love it too!

Yes, good morning! I hope everyone has a happy and SAFE weekend. We really don’t want to read about you here.
Taxpayerteacher, you really need to proof read.
Taxi, you have a really good weekend too.

“More than seven billion litres of water were used for fracking in B.C. last year. If the government’s liquefied natural gas sector takes off, the water needed to get shale gas out of the ground in the northeast corner of the province will likely increase by 500 per cent, or more.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/is-lng-fracking-worth-its-weight-in-water/article16121900/

Posted by: Mercenary on April 18 2014 6:28 AM

I say shut the program down RIGHT NOW! Hire and train able bodied Canadians first and foremost over any temporary worker and fine the business owners who abused the program big time for abusing the system.

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Unfortunately, the work ethic of a lot of our younger able bodied Canadians is so pathetic that it’s very difficult to find someone who can be trained and is willing to accept that they’re not going to be the CEO two weeks out of school.

TFW program is not working out… period. It has given businesses the opportunity to abuse workers and take away job opportunities for Canadian citizens. That being said, I agree that the work ethic of a vast number of our youth is pathetic (IMO a by-product of our “bleeding heart society” and it’s laws which stop parents from being able to raise their children with some semblance of authority). A change that I would like to see, would be that an employer who uses TFW’s would first have to ensure that their workers received proper English language training (at the employer’s expense) and that routine inspections be made to make certain that the employer was not abusing their workers OR unfairly turning away rightful citizens from employment.
If the employers can bank on keeping foreign workers as long term employees (most times in minimum wage positions) then they should be held accountable for providing training (ie: language, safety in the workplace and opportunities for GED schooling for under-educated workers). Maybe if the use of Temporary foreign workers was not an avenue to get cheap, “abusable” labour, then employers would be more likely to make their workplaces more attractive for local citizens.

From Axeman – Unfortunately, the work ethic of a lot of our younger able bodied Canadians is so pathetic that it’s very difficult to find someone who can be trained and is willing to accept that they’re not going to be the CEO two weeks out of school.

FYI there are just as many adults who have poor work habits so painting everyone with the same paint brush is not acceptable. There are many TFW who become immigrants in Canada and have poor work habits once they are established in the system.

Priority of work should be given to Canadians first and foremost.

Perhaps our elected officials like our MLA’s and MP’s could let us know what they think of the TFW program. Do any of these elected politicians have a view on anything??

Silence seems to be their mainstay.

The Unions have created the model for todays workplace. Dont be accountable, its not your fault, and the company never does enough for me. They have created the lazy workforce, and wont stand behind their members when needed…no wonder there is a problem

Posted by: woodwoman on April 18 2014 8:29 AM

Priority of work should be given to Canadians first and foremost.

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I agree with you there but in a lot of cases the Canadians just aren’t working out.

If all things are equal, the jobs should go to Canadians first. Those companies found to be abusing the system and the workers (MacDonalds as the latest headlining example) should be receiving some hefty fines.

As a one time TFW myself, I seen the need of the program, and seen the abuse of it, now as an employer ,I still see the need for it, trying to get employees to show up for a job is a chore by it self, and training someone that isn,t really that interrested is hard and a waist of money and time. There was an add a few weeks ago from some one looking for I believe was 12 pipefitters or plumbers for a camp job, 14 days working,7days off, you would think with the unemployment there wouldn,t be people looking for that many employee,s at once

“I agree with you there but in a lot of cases the Canadians just aren’t working out”

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Aren’t working out or just harder to manage because they change jobs, request things like time off or don’t accept their employer running rough shod over them?

Pretty sad article in the Citzen yesterday about Lakeland. Someone should go to jail !

Bang on Palopu. This is election year for municipal politicians so the silence of elected politicians is already deafening.

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Ben raised the issue of anonymous posters on 250NEWS planning to run for councillor/mayor having to identify themselves when posting on here.

An interesting thought which caused me to think about the potential of that..

I was thinking that since this site is so popular, that a new section could be opened up for election year to allow candidates to present their platform and allow posters who identify themselves with verified names to ask questions and, in some cases, start debates. You know, sort of like a live public forum.

Interestingly enough, most, if not in at all of those forums, questions are presented on paper. There is no need to put down the name of the author of the question. They are simply read out as questions from the audience.

If we had such a forum, Ben should be able to charge a small fee to the candidates for accessing his site and taking advantage of reaching a large audience.

I do not think any of the candidates who have a web page allow a “discourse”. They are just static information sites. We really never get to hear candidates in an open-ended debate that we can take part in.

According to newspaper articles, Lakeland is suing the manufacturer of the equipment that provided the ignition point. An interesting perspective of who is going after whom.

This government has been supporting the use of TFW for years even though there was not a shotage of labour in this province. It is all about cheap labour and not having to train people. Some of these training programs that they are setting up are so exspensive that if you are on limited income you can not afford to take them to better yourself. Many good employers are still training and do not have a shortage of skilled employees.
There will always be employers who under bid on contracts and pay their employees lower wages and there is those employers who bid high and still pay their employees low wages.

To the people who support Mc Donalds and Tim Hortons , congradulations , how many Canadians are you putting out of work , I personally think the thing to do is to boycot all these places that are doing this . Cut of the Welfare program and watch people find jobs , they will be happy to go to Alberta and work . I fr one will not go to Rotten Ronnies or Timmies .

To the people who support Mc Donalds and Tim Hortons , congradulations , how many Canadians are you putting out of work , I personally think the thing to do is to boycot all these places that are doing this . Cut of the Welfare program and watch people find jobs , they will be happy to go to Alberta and work . I fr one will not go to Rotten Ronnies or Timmies .

Tim’s and Mickey D’s aren’t breaking any laws are they? Just think of a politician. The words legal and ethical are so far apart with them. “We don’t need no stinkin’ ethics.” (From Treasure of the Sierra Madre with Bogie). Everybody knows that.

“Mickey D’s aren’t breaking any laws are they?”

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I’m sure they are being investigated so that they can be used as a glowing example of how the program is intended to be utilized:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/temporary-foreign-workers-being-approved-too-easily-expert-warns-1.2609653

Posted by: NMG on April 18 2014 9:11 AM
“I agree with you there but in a lot of cases the Canadians just aren’t working out”

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Aren’t working out or just harder to manage because they change jobs, request things like time off or don’t accept their employer running rough shod over them?

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I’ve lost count of the number of people who -after working with us for 3 or 4 weeks- will start asking for the next week off. You have to put your time in before you get your time off.

How many people nowadays change jobs because they’re constantly searching for something cushy? How many people nowadays claim they’re being bullied by their bosses when in fact, the boss is just asking them to put in an honest days work. I say there are too many of them.

“According to newspaper articles, Lakeland is suing the manufacturer of the equipment that provided the ignition point. An interesting perspective of who is going after whom.”

Good luck with that lawsuit Lakeland when the article clearly states that,

“investigators found there was no regular inspection or maintenance for the gear reducers. The shrouds on some of the reducers were found to be clogged with oily sawdust, and fans were damaged, loose or missing.”

From 06:28
“I think most business owners and managers get off trying to be little dictators anyway.”

What an ignorant statement.

metalman.

If the NDP does not pick a leader with a background in science I will for the first time since 1972 NOT be voting NDP . They should look for a fresh , untainted , well educated , 21st century thinker . Christys three failed attempts at three different post secondary venues speak volumes about her and her aditude towards our eduction system . She has thrown her lot in with oil and gas . The trouble with that is that oil and gas are finite . The time to plan for the end of oil and gas is now ,not after it’s all gone . The world is far too complicated to have these undereducated career politicians operating on the world stage . Everytime I see these people like christy, Redford and harper negotiating on the world stage I cringe . It’s like seeing Ma and Pa Kettle goes to Washington all over again . This is why Canada always comes up on the short end of the deal . The world must laugh when they hear the Canadian politicians are coming .

“I’ve lost count of the number of people who -after working with us for 3 or 4 weeks- will start asking for the next week off. You have to put your time in before you get your time off.

How many people nowadays change jobs because they’re constantly searching for something cushy? How many people nowadays claim they’re being bullied by their bosses when in fact, the boss is just asking them to put in an honest days work. I say there are too many of them.”

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So in other words, their behaviour doesn’t fit with what you think is appropriate, so it’s wrong?

I work with people ranging from around 20 years old to say 60 and there are HUGE differences between them and what they expect of the work environment.

I personally couldn’t care less if someone wanted to take vacation time they were entitled to if they started work a month ago. I think the whole concept of “putting in your time” is silly. Someone with 6 months of experience could be three times as productive as someone with 20 years of experience.

Same goes for people changing jobs. That’s the reality of the workforce today and employer’s have to adapt. You have to learn how to get the most of your people when they are with you. If you can do that, then you’ve succeeded.

I agree about the boss bullying. There is some stuff like that which goes on, but I think that’s gone on as long as there have been bosses and employees.

I think my favourite is talking to the 50-60 year old guys who proudly proclaim that they’ve never taken a sick day. These are the same guys you see hacking up a lung on the floor for a week, getting everyone around them sick and production on the entire team suffers because they decided to “tough it out” instead of staying at home for a few days.

I’m not even sure what “an honest day’s work” is. Is it a 50 year old guy showing up for his 9 to 5 shift and taking two half hour coffee breaks, plus an hour lunch? Or, is it the 24 year old kid who shows up at 8 and works straight through until 3 while eating his lunch at his desk so he can make his 3:30 tee time?

Tue night three police cars a fire truck and a ambulance was call to the TAX PAYER owned Apt. on 20th ave and the Needle Van parks in front waiting for customers. As part owner of this building I thought it would be asset to our Neighbourhood and a safe place for Families to live as the School is close by. Its not looking good, hope its not going to turn into a money pit for Tax Payers.

Ataloss after oil, gas and coal the market will move onto methane of which there is a far greater amount than oil, gas or coal combined.

Methane would have to be mined on the bottom of the oceans by robots . If what you imagine is going to happen then one would think that our leaders would use the oil/gas money to produce robots/operators . The fastest growing sector in the world is solar power . Solar is already producing more jobs in the states than is coal and gas combined . This is what happens when one has leaders with a back ground in science . Btw coal prices have collapsed . Ontario has ceased burning coal to convert into electricity . They will lead canada into solar with their “feed in tariff ” . Solar and other renewables in bc would produce more high paying jobs for bc today than all the oil and gas that is supposed to happen some time in the future . Solar would also produce power today as soon as you plug it in . IMHO the First Nations of bc will lead the way into solar in spite of this misguided government .

To NMG… Boss bullying always been around except now they have Work Safe and Employment Standards in their pockets. Unless unionized, no one looks out for the workers anymore. Call it cutbacks or whatever, fact remains these Agencies should be standing up for workers but they are not anymore. And one wonders why employers have to import people.. My opinion

Ataloss. There is not a big need for any kind of power in Canada. We can supply all we need with gas, oil, electricity, solar, etc;

The thing is. Can we export solar and make billions of dollars like we do with gas, oil, and electricity. The answer is no.

The issue is always about money, not about common sense.

Just finished a round of Golf at Pine Valley golf course.

Plenty of seniors, teenagers, young kids with their dads, and grandfathers, and mid age golfers out for a day in the sun.

Anyone who thinks this golf course does not serve a useful purpose to the City of Prince George should think again.

Selling off this property to satisfy the wants of a few business’s could very will be the dumbest thing that Prince George has ever considered.

I have hired a lot of people and yes I have had 20 years olds bounce in 45 minutes late and expect me to be happy that they showed up. But I have had more young people show up and work hard. The onethat is late gets a talk about responsiblity and usually that is the end of it.

Our joke at work was that we don’t own the workers, we only rent them. We also had to explain to a lot of 20 years olds that that there are standards for hourly work, overtime, etc. I expected that they had worked for bosses that expected them to work long hours with no overtime and no time off for sickness or vacation.

Family memeber worked for a mine that was bought by a USA company and they were told that they had to sign a paper saying that they would accept work conditions that were against the BC Work Code. The people who did not sign were let go and replace by TFW. The TFW and some old workers had to work longer hours with no overtime and there were more accidents because they were tired and the safety codes were not followed plus the product went down. But the owners were happy as they had broken the Canadian worker that stood up for their rights.

@metalman: Not ignorant. In fact…very informed. I’ve worked for many years for many bad, BAD managers and supervisors who like nothing more to push employees around and decide that yelling and screaming is the way to get their point across.

Dictators every one….

How true palopu.Maybe they would like to sell Pine Valley and put the money into PAC.

“Selling off this property to satisfy the wants of a few business’s could very will be the dumbest thing that Prince George has ever considered”

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I agree Palopu. I would actually LOVE to see the city re-develop that area, but keep it as a green space within the core of the city. Preserve the golf course (maybe change the layout a bit to free up land for other purposes), add some ponds, some walking or jogging trails, maybe have some floral gardens, a band shell, etc.

Turn it into a place that will let people gather and enjoy the city on a nice summer evening or turn it into a snow tubing park for the kids in the winter.

There are some many ways that piece of land could be preserved and turned into a real gem of a spot within the city.

Just noticed- it must be a sad day for all the fuel stations in Prince George other than Costco. Costco has kept the price of fuel down.If not for Costco we most likely would be paying $1.50 plus per litre for fuel this week.

Comment Posted by: rumrunner on April 18 2014 8:46 AM
The Unions have created the model for todays workplace. Dont be accountable, its not your fault, and the company never does enough for me. They have created the lazy workforce, and wont stand behind their members when needed…no wonder there is a problem
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Head on down to one of your local union offices and tell them that.

Solar in Canada, that is a joke right?

re: Pine Valley. Just because Palopu says it’s a well used course, doesn’t make it so. There’s no need for the City to be in the golf business and in competition with the privately owned courses.

If the City decides to sell Pine Valley, so be it. Maybe they could take the money from the sale and start to pay off the debt.

Ataloss, solar in Canada, funny. Check out how much it has cost Germany? So when the sun don’t shine where does the power come from? Hamster cages?

Mercenary, by your reasoning, if every business owner is a dictator then the workers for those businesses must be mindless, lazy drones that need to be told what to do. I sure hope no university or college allowed you to graduate if you think like this all the time.

Excerpts from a Harper speech to the House of Commons on Nov. 26, 1996:”I intend to oppose this bill that imposes changes to the federal elections act without the consent of the opposition parties.”

“In my view, the procedure of using time allocation for electoral law, doing it quickly and without the consent of the other political parties, is the kind of dangerous application of electoral practices that we are more likely to find in Third World countries.”

Yet today, Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government appears determined to whisk its controversial overhaul of election laws through Parliament, despite near-universal condemnation from electoral experts and strenuous political opposition.

Thanks for dragging us down to Third World country status Mr. Harper, you hypocrite!!!

Ataloss science brought us oil, coal and oil development and nuclear energy. Science is also researching methane extraction though research has slowed because of the abundant quantity of low cost gas. Science will eventually bring us fusion which will then give us all the energy required.

@seamutt….don’t forget the perpetual motion machine. That’s still a biggy, I think.

JohnneyBelt..Twas a beautiful day for any and all those wishing to walk in the park today. Maybe the City should sell a Pool. Does PG really need two? Perhaps the City should sell one to pay off some debt. Pfft

@Happy: I’ll bet you’re one of those people who always complains that your taxes are too high as well. Can’t have it both ways.

JohnnyBelt,. Your such a dweeb.

1. The City put themselves in the Golf business many years ago.

2. The land that the course is located on was a gift from the Federal Government to the City of PG to be used for recreational purposes in perpetuity.

3. The Golf course over the years paid for itself, and made a significant contribution in **cash** to the City.

4. The Golf course revenue dropped after the City in its wisdom sold off the Driving Range to a bunch of car salesmen.

5. The course is used by a large number of people each year, and if some people at the City were not in such a hurry to sell it off, but instead upgrade it, and add another driving range, it would make money in no time flat.

6. Pine Valley is a Municipal Course and was up and running years before any other courses in Prince George were built with the exception of the Pr George Golf and Curling Club. The PGGCC gets a $143,000.00 tax exemption every year, and in addition this year they will get a $800,000.00 upgrade to their building compliments of the taxpayers of Prince George. PGGCC is a semi private course, and registered under the Societies Act of BC. How can other golf courses compete with PGGCC?

7. All the golf courses built after PGGCC, and Pine Valley were fully aware of the situation going in. No one twisted their arms to go into the golf business.

8. Most major Cities have Municipal Golf Courses. The City of Vancouver has three. So forget the lame idea that the City should not be in the Golf business.

9. Most people who use Pine Valley would not be able to play the other courses, especially PGGCC, and Aberdeen. The other courses such as Ness wood, Links of Molly May, Alder Grove, and Aspen, are far removed from the City and not well suited to Seniors, juniors, or mobility impaired golfers.

10. If we can have other facilities such as Swimming Pools, many, many Hockey Rinks, Playhouse Theatre, Vanier Hall, Soccer Fields, Masich Place track and field, Base Ball Fields, Horse Shoe Pits, etc; etc; Why not a par 3 Municipal Golf Course??

11. There is little doubt that some of the revenue from the sale of Pine Valley would go to build a new PAC, and we will go from a self sustaining golf course to a $500,000.00 a year white elephant.

12. JohnnyBelt. Your argument against Pine Valley is flawed just like some of the thinking a City hall. Basically comes down to selling your Grandmother for a dollar.

13. I suggest you get on board and help to keep this course just where it is.

14. Once this course is gone, its gone forever. So read NMG’s post carefully, to get some insight to what this is all about.

15. Go to Pine Valley to-morrow, have a coffee and observe. That’s one way to learn.

16. An old saying ** The one thing that is a bar against all learning, that will keep people in everlasting ignorance, is contempt prior to investigation**

@seamutt it’s not an all or nothing deal . Let’s not plant a flag on oil, gas ,coal , geothermal, biofuel , hydro,wave,,tidal,wind , solar , or methane . Let’s have it all . Let’s have something for our graduating engineers to do .

I have an uncle that lives off the grid with solar power that charges up a bank of batteries for back up and to spread the load. He and his wife get along fine all through the winter. It just depends on how one sets it all up. Its not at all impossible to do.

And nuclear . Freudian slip .

JGalt, to me it looks like Harper is playing chicken with our future. Whether its his calls for war with Russia, or his petrol state policies he will push it as close to the edge as he can, and if he’s wrong future generations can pay for the cost. His electoral bill is just another example of Harper playing chicken bringing it to the brink with ideological policies that are winner take all.

The more extreme the policy the more it draws Harper in for his support. He likes the politics of polarization as an enabler of political power.

Where is retired? Usually harping about his wonderful Abbotsford. Wonder what his thoughts are on the serial arsonist and being a none hockey town left holding the bag for millions when the Giant’s left.

Here is an interesting read

“Over the past twenty years, we’ve been subjected to a barrage of catastrophic climate change forecasts and prophecies that would put Moses to shame. Coastal communities will be submerged due to rapid sea-level rise caused by soaring temperatures and glacier melt. Record heat waves, droughts, floods, insect infestations, and wildfires will result in millions of climate change refugees fleeing their ruined homelands. Competition over increasingly scarce water resources will lead to armed conflict. About all that has been missing from these doom and gloom predictions is alien invasion.”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/18/telling-noble-cause-lies-about-climate-change-will-backfire/

wattspuwiththat is always a funny read …. reminds me of people#1’s links ….. ;-)

Palopu: “JohnnyBelt,. Your such a dweeb.”

First of all, You + are = “You’re”.

Secondly, your long winded posts do not excuse the fact that the City shouldn’t be in the golf business or the land business. They need to manage *less*, not more.

Pine Valley is the ugliest course in town since they cut all the trees down, bar none. If you think it’s a nice course, you must not golf anywhere else.

Time to let the course go. Time to start paying down the City’s debt.

seamutt posted: “Science will eventually bring us fusion which will then give us all the energy required.”

Ah … but we already have all the energy required. Remember, there are needs and wants.

People have always had the energy they needed, otherwise we would not be here today.

We got to where we are not because of what we needed, but because of what we wanted, our desires.

For some reason, and I do not know what that reason is, I think that we are not going to ever meet out energy wants.

BUT, if we are ever going to start to get closer to it, we had better learn how to emulate the incremental computing breakthroughs in the last 50+ years.

I thought I would look at where the last 50+ years has taken us with the storing of information as an indicator of the growth of computing capacity.

In the March, 1974, issue of QST magazine there was an ad for a “personal computer”, the Scelbi. It was based on Intel’s 8008 microprocessor, Scelbi sold for $565 and came with 1K of programmable memory, with an additional 15K of memory available for $2760.

On April Fool’s Day, 1976, Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs released the Apple I computer and started Apple Computers.

In 1977, Radio Shack introduced its TRS-80 microcomputer (“Trash-80”). It came with 4 kb of RAM and 4 kb of ROM with BASIC as an operating system language.

Here is a list, in 5 year increments, of the cost of digital memory in US$ per Mbyte plus the size of a typical single memory type from tubes to transistors to today’s dual in-line memory modules.

1957$411,041,792.000.00098
1959$67,947,725.000.00098
1960$5,242,880.000.00098
1965$2,642,412.000.00098
1970$734,003.000.00098
1975$421,888.000.25
1980$6,480.0064
1985$300.002,048
1990$46.001,024
1995$30.6016,384
2000$0.70131,072
2005$0.1161,048,576
2014$0.00734,194,304

So, over the almost 60 years, the cost of memory has been reduced over 56 billion times

Over the same period of time, available unit memory modules for purchase have increased more than 4 billion times.

I think the prospects of developing energy capacity are not going to be quite as easy. Remember, we seem to be kissing the notion of nuclear energy goodbye at this time in our history.

IMO when we tap solar energy as in not photosynthesis, but rather induced energy from magnetism of the magnetosphere powered by the solar wind… then we will see a comparison to the computing memory paradigm Gus mentioned above. The universe is an electric universe of energy masking itself as matter and vice versa.

Tesla was on the right track and one day we will have another genuine genius that will show us the simplicity of inducing this energy and converting it to our needs. Once we learn how to tap into this potential our wants will only be limited by our desires and the energy sources of the past will look truly barbaric to our children.

Space is not empty and has a potential difference across distance. NASA once put out a guide wire that exploded from the potential difference… the energy in space is limitless… the aurora lights are a visible marker of this energy as it interacts with the magnetosphere of planet Earth… maybe we will tap this energy for Wi-power as it runs down the flux lines in the atmosphere like a faraday cage, with it captured as we need it like a global transmission network.

Nuclear, coal, LNG, oil, wind power… they will all be novelties of history, studied by history students that specialize in war crimes of the 21st century.

Time Will Tell

Think of how a transformer works, or even an electric motor, and we can have a glimpse of what the future holds in wireless energy transmission and the possibilities of inducing this energy from the abundant sources that surround us in infinity.

The powers that be will no doubt try to retard this progress… but its only a matter of time….