Good ruling.

Wow, first comment? What to say, what to say?

Hmmm, how about “at least they have the right to appeal it, just like the Liberals have the right to appeal another decision!”

Darn JB, you beat me, haha!

Getting a little ridiculous. Teachers thinking they should be paid now for standing outside protesting? If that was the case why would anyone work? What is all this B.S. teaching our children?
Oh I get it, it is all about the kids!!I see the kids are running with all of this.
Time to review the teaching edict

I knew it. Cut off Christy’s head and up pops
Gordon Campbell. They just can not resist throwing gasoline on a fire. If you do not do what we want you to do, we are going to punish you until you give in. Still poor excuses for human beings.

Other unions have or are settling for much less then want teachers want

Time to break the teachers union and demand a “normal” wage settlement.

I am curious who pays the labor relations wages, I suspect the BC Gov’t, if so this ruling doesn’t surprise me.

bcracer, sorry, but that’s a ridiculous comment to make. Please tell me who pays the wages of the people that made the ruling that the Liberals are currently appealing, the ruling that you don’t seem to think the Liberals should be appealing!!

I don’t understand.. They saying the teachers get paid for the day when they are out on strike??? if that’s the case, I never heard of this happening before. we go on strike, we don’t get paid..

JB, I heartily agree.
Hart, I heartily agree.
DPJ, I agree.
BC Racer, that’s a ridiculous comment to make.
Walter: BUT, teachers are speshull!
I’m very happy to see the kids stayed in school today and didn’t walk out. Means they are concerned about the next couple weeks and wondering if their report cards are gonna come out, and some of them know they got to study hard for exams.
What a mess the BCTF has made of this!

Ha ha. Get back to work teachers. 15% raise? What a joke.

The teachers have had their hours reduced by the employer and therefore they have had their wages reduced by 10%. They are not asking to be paid for days they are on strike. Hopefully this clears up a few things. I guess the next step should be to reduce our MLA’s wages for not sitting in the house if they don’t attend.

I find it interesting that Premier Clark talks about how she is against bullying even though her form of government excels at it.

Which unionized workers get paid for work not done while they are striking or on some sort of reduced work job action? What is strike pay for? Why would teachers be paying into a union when the union does not provide some sort of compensation during job actions which have the effect of reducing duties?

A day’s pay for a day’s work. A half day’s pay for a half day’s work. Sounds like an equitable ruling to me. What am I not seeing here?

What you are not seeing is why the employer reduced the teacher availability when they claim that the students need more teacher availability.

So where did 10% come from? Have teachers missed 10% of their year? Is this applied across the board? What about teachers who are on leave for whatever reason and directly involved, are they being docked?

Next up a full blown strike! Sorry little Johnny you get an incomplete on your report card. See you next September maybe.

Let me see; bullying or leadership; bullying or leadership? Sometimes difficult to detect the difference depending on which lineup one finds themselves in.

People sure forget fast! They aren’t getting paid for rotating strikes no one does.

The initial 5% was a bullying tactic for limited job action. The rotating strike was a result of that bullying.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2645852

The teachers are being forced to leave the school premises by the government and certainly not by choice. The amount of work that needs to be done (preparation for classes,photocopying, marking, correspondence with parents) cannot be completed in the amount of time teachers are being told they are allowed to work. Yet the teachers are trying their very best to make sure the work is done. It does not seem fair that the government can tell people that they are no longer allowed to have the time to do their job to he best of their ability and then penalize them for it.

I understand that the B.C. Public School Employers’ Association argued before the LRB that the dock in pay “reflects the reduction in work being performed by teachers as a result of the strike and lockout activities now in place.”

I believe the reduced work was as a result of the rotating strikes which precipitated a reaction to cancel “field trips” and report card issuing by the PSEA. I think that was a reasonable joint effort by each party to accommodate the job action chosen by the teachers so that the work which needed to be done was a bit better defined rather than a helter skelter approach.

Teaching time has not been reduced at all which makes you wonder why the employer has restricted the teachers own time and cut their pay for it.

All I see is the teachers holding our children hostage until there demands are met.
Teachers are doing a lot of whining about the Liberals getting huge wage increases and they feel they should be included in the pie. Disregarding how all of there selfish acts are effecting our children. Yet one week ago they were saying “ITS ALL ABOUT THE KIDS!”
Yet the Government has offered the teachers a 7.9% wage increase plus a $1200 signing bonus over 6 yrs.
I say Quit being selfish and self-centered, take the offer and quit using our children for your own personal gain.
I would like to see my children complete this school year,not repeat it.
Who in the hell to you think you people are “GOD!”

Time for some pressure to be applied to bring the teacher’s ludicrous wage demands down to earth.

If the teachers can ‘work to rule’, then I don’t see why the government can’t adjust their pay accordingly. The BC Labour Board obviously agrees.

Wish most of you knew what you are talking about.
1st, if a teacher missed an hour, they would be docked 20% of pay. They are not paid for lunch our duties. Di not understand LRB ruling.
2nd, the wage demand goes back 13 years where they have not bee able to get the cost of living.
3rd, government has refused to do any bargaining. I am sure the teachers are prepared to alter demands but there has been no bargaining by gov’t.

@Jackson: I believe current labour law states that wages can only be rolled back a maximum of 10% in this situation.

As for the myth that teachers have gotten nothing over the past 13 years, well, Hart Guy has provided many links which break that myth. You must have missed those.

Duh!

The waaaaambulance service must be working overtime serving up crying rides for all these Whitney teachers and their hack supporters. Take a small raise and be glad the province isn’t broke like Michigan and many US cities. Time for a reality check teacher folks.
P.s. How many of you would keep the job if there was year round school?

Silently in the background faculty association unions for colleges and universities are negotiating wage increases for post secondary instructors.

I can’t see how anyone can support the gov’ts lock out of teachers and then say it’s the teachers’ fault that extra activities have been cancelled

I don’t think that the way to negotiate is to be as antagonistic and nasty as the Liberals have been with teachers.

I believe that 7 .25% over 6 years is unreasonable as has the gov’ts’ handling of this situation.

@karrman

The teachers started the rotating strikes before the partial lockout was imposed so as in all labour disputes when one side turns up the heat they should expect a response.

From everything that I have heard in the media the employer side has made the most movement at the table reducing length of contract and adding more money into the class size pot. The union’s position is virtually unchanged since negotiations began.

The money offered is in line with what other public unions have accepted.

Teaching time, other than that precipitated by rotating strikes, has not been reduced. Teachers get paid for more than teaching contact hours. Field trips have been cancelled as has some administrative work required by reporting out to parents via a report card. Thus normal duties have been reduced which means work has been reduced. Teachers work for salaries, not for wages. Teachers are professionals, not hourly workers.

I see the word “bully” being used to described the way the BC Liberal Government (the employer) is treating the BCTF (the employee).

Lets go am little further and call that treatment as illegal and unconstitutional, no wonder the teachers are unset and striking, imagine being treated in an illegal and unconstitutional way TWICE by your employer.

No surprised they are striking in the least! I think the employer should receive some jail time!

BH, that’s the best that you can do tonight? You disappoint me!

By the way, the Government is the employer and you, I and all the rest of us ARE the Government! So, will you be turning yourself in to the Police and asking for some jail time? Go ahead and use my share as well if you would like!

Hope you aren’t incarcerated for too long. We would miss you!!

ewitt,
Te first part of your post, “From everything that I have heard in the media…” certainly qualifies your comment.
I don’t believe that it is entirely accurate.

As for their wage demands, teachers they are fair in that other public sector workers had pay increases during the years when teachers had none. The government so far isn’t even offering cost of living increases to teachers.

From Tracy Sherlock’s article in The Province:

In an email to its members, the BCTF said the employer responded with nothing.

“They did not provide a single counter or adjust any of their proposals. To date, the employer has steadfastly refused to put a single dollar on the table to improve student learning conditions like class size, composition, and staffing levels for specialist teachers,” the BCTF said.

ewitt:
From Tamsyn Burgmann’s article in The Province:

“The B.C. Teachers’ Federation made a series of new proposals during negotiations with the government’s bargaining agent on Tuesday, as teachers continued a second week of rotating strikes.

The union dropped its wage demand by one percentage point, bringing the request into the range 12 per cent over four years.

The employer’s chief negotiator, Peter Cameron, called the wage reduction “disappointing.” “

All this talk about zero wage increases… How many of the seven zero increase years came with a signing bonus? In 2000 the bonus was 4,000. On a wage of 45 – 83,000 that is anywhere from 5-10 percent, not too shabby for a zero percent increase year.