May 12, 2015
GLOBE EDITORIAL
Another budget, another contemptuous Tory omnibus bill

“The Harper government tabled yet another monster omnibus budget bill last week. Not do be outdone, here is yet another editorial decrying these overstuffed bills and their contemptuous disregard for Parliament.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/another-budget-another-contemptuous-tory-omnibus-bill/article24404300/

“The Ottawa game is still played by Ottawa’s rules and that is: the motivation is to go from the back (bench) to the middle, and the middle to the front benches, and the way you achieve that is by building up political capital within the PMO if you are on the government side, or the leader’s office if you are in the opposition parties. That political capital is gained by being a team player and reading the talking points and voting the way you’re told.”

Q&A: Independent MP Brent Rathgeber on two years outside the party

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http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/q-and-a-independent-mp-brent-rathgeber-on-two-years-outside-the-party

Some of the so called problems with Bill C-51 are now before the Supreme Court. The Court will decide if there are any infringements of our Charter Rights. If there are, then they will be changed. This is how a Democracy works.

Not sure what Clare’s end game is, however even if he were to be elected as an Independent, he would have absolutely not clout in Ottawa. Independents have a little clout if there is a minority Government, however if there is a Majority then he is odd man out.

Clare will split the vote somewhat but he does not have a snowballs chance in hell of being elected,.

Some people refer to him as the Sour Grapes Candidate. In other words, his choice for a Conservative candidate in this riding didn’t materialize and so he will be a spoiler for the Conservatives in this election. The problem is he does not have sufficient support to make any difference to the final outcome.

Independents in this area historically do not do well.

Palopu:”Some of the so called problems with Bill C-51 are now before the Supreme Court. The Court will decide if there are any infringements of our Charter Rights. If there are, then they will be changed. This is how a Democracy works.”

This Harper Government sure has kept the Supreme Court busy! More than any Canadian Government in history I think. Then of course there was the ruling of having been in contempt of parliament – certainly not an enviable one but it does seem to fit in the pattern.

BTW, if a matter is brought up before the Supreme Court it has to pass the validity test! If it does not seem to have any merit, the judges’ panel will not recommend it for consideration. Just saying!

The Conservatives long held the monopoly on being the responsible managers of the economy

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Wait, what?????? Let’s look at recent history:

Harper has had 10 budgets. He managed 7 deficits and 3 surpluses. The first surplus was basically handed to him from the Liberals and one of the others (2015) is so small that it could easily tip to a deficit. Mulroney was in power for 9 years and he managed 9 deficit budgets. So conservatives and reformers have 19 budgets between them and 16 have been deficits.

Martin had 2 budgets and 2 surpluses. Chrétien had 11 budgets. He had 4 deficits and 7 surpluses. So liberals had 13 budgets and 9 have been surpluses.

Liberals: 70% of the time have surplus budgets. 30% of the time have deficit budgets.
Conservatives: 16% of the time have surplus budgets. 84% of the time have deficit budgets.

Can conservatives do math? Or perhaps they don’t understand the difference between a surplus and a deficit?

Well said Palopu! I see by your rating score that all the lefties have finally rolled out of bed to vote down the truth…

Can’t imagine if the Liberals had to lead us through the crash of 2008, till now. Probably still taxing the snot out of anyone making over 50k a year, since that is ‘wealthy’ in their mind.

NMG, it doesn’t really matter which Party is in power, so long as the overall financial system is not fully ‘self-liquidating’ (the TOTAL costs of all ‘production’ can’t be FULLY recovered in prices and taxes through the provision of goods and services for ‘consumption’), the government is going to have to run deficits under the current set-up. To go on and on about how one Party provided more balanced Budgets than the other did is essentially meaningless. ALL the current Parties should recognise this FACT for what it is, and stop trying to portray themselves as great fiscal managers able to produce something none of them really can. The best any of them can do under the current arrangement is reflected in the levels of tax taken off us. And in that regard the Conservatives haven’t been bad managers compared to previous Liberal governments, or the costly proposals of a would-be future one.

To go on and on about how one Party provided more balanced Budgets than the other did is essentially meaningless.

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No, what’s meaningless is to go on and on about some economic theory that has no basis in reality, otherwise people would be doing it.

As long as one party and their supporters keep claiming that they are the best at managing the economy and all things financial in nature, I’ll point out the FACT that real numbers prove them to be wrong.

I hope Clair does well in his run for a seat. Then maybe there would be hope for me to do the same some day in the future.

As it is now I can not run for politics in Canada with the current party system. I believe in one law for all people within a country whether it be Canada, China, America, or Israel. That is a disqualified in Canadian politics. Anyone with this view is disqualified from running under the party system by the zio-gatekeepers of the party system from the top.

In fact anyone that has independent thought is disqualified from our political system under party control. Recently a lady was disqualified for supporting pot over alcohol, and others for their views on when life starts.

The party system is broken because it controls from the top down what is allowed to be discussed. Conservative candidates are not even allowed to do all candidate forums. How can we have MP,s that represent the region rather than the party to the region if we have this kind of party control?

A party controlled parliament was not the original intent of a Parliamentary system… It’s now broken and is no longer democracy IMO unless we can start to elect more independents to take back our democracy.

Scored in answer to your view of a self liquidating system. Wouldn’t that be solved with a form of a social credit equivalent to the amount of interest collected from prime loans distributed equally per capita to all Canadians. It might even be enough that we could do away with welfare and employment insurance programs or at least alleviate poverty. Problem is the one percent monopoly capitalists could concentraite the wealth through finance and would have to earn it on merits and the monopoly capitalists control all the parties from the top down.

Should have read monopoly capitalist that concentrate wealth through finance…. Darn iPod doesn’t translate what I type very well. And I have to beat the auto reload so can’t proof read before posting.

Eagleone. Instead of finding fault with all the political parties in Canada, and then saying because of these faults you cannot run I have a suggestion for you.

Create your own party, write your own constitution, and principles, and run in the next election.

We the voters will decide if what you create and put forward has any merit when we go to the polls.

So I suggest you get started right away.

NMG. The Liberals under Jean Chretian and Paul (Mr Dithers) Martin may have had a few balanced budgets but you forgot to mention where the money came from.

1. They basically stole $54 Billion out of the EI fund, and transferred it to General Revenue. The Supreme Court ruled that they broke the law.

2. They started the cuts on transfer payments to the Provinces.

3. They ran in the election of 1993 to get rid of the Free Trade Agreement with the USA, and to abolish the HST, however once elected they didn’t do either. Remember the famous Liberal **Red Book**

So in essence the Mulroney Government was ousted primarily because of the HST and FTA, and the Liberals used these pieces of legislation and the associated tax dollars to come up with a balanced budget. Those budgets were balanced because of tax increases and revenue generated by the FTA.

So don’t be in a big hurry to give the Liberals credit. Perhaps you should spend more time talking about the Gomery Commission.

I think the Mulroney Government toppled because of corruption Palopu.
Remember ? Mulroney was and is a crook.

Eagleone:-“Socred in answer to your view of a self liquidating system. Wouldn’t that be solved with a form of a social credit equivalent to the amount of interest collected from prime loans distributed equally per capita to all Canadians.”
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No, Eagle, interest has very little to do with it. ‘Interest’ is simply another name for ‘profit’ as it applies to those who provide financial services. Just as ‘savings’ is another name for ‘profit’ as it applies to consumers. These three things are homologues, they do have a bearing on why the total rate of price generation is always faster than that of the total rate at which incomes are distributed capable of meeting those prices, but their role is minor. What is the major factor is “labour displacement” as we become more technologically advanced, and also attempt to outsource employment to ‘cheaper’ waged countries. In regards to the former, we’re increasingly charged in prices for Capital Depreciation, as we have to be under the rules and conventions of accounting, but we are not FULLY credited with Capital Appreciation, which is always greater. Social Credit would rectify that by having a National Credit Account which records all capital appreciation and depreciation, and credits CONSUMERS (all of us), with the difference periodically.

NMG:-“As long as one party and their supporters keep claiming that they are the best at managing the economy and all things financial in nature, I’ll point out the FACT that real numbers prove them to be wrong. ”
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Well, good luck at trying to ‘prove’ anything that way, NMG. You’ll need it, because ALL the Parties have done, or will do in the case of the federal NDP or Greens, exactly the same thing they’ve been doing. The ‘numbers’ are FLAWED. They can only be REAL if they REFLECT physical reality. And they don’t. And so we’ll continue to have a (financial) poverty in the midst of a (physical) plenty.

Eagleone:-“Problem is the one percent monopoly capitalists could concentrate the wealth through finance and would have to earn it on merits and the monopoly capitalists control all the parties from the top down.”
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The system as it presently exists tends to concentrate wealth through finance. No doubt the “one percent monopoly capitalists”, or likely the fraction of them that understand the system, want to keep it as it is. It cannot be changed by taxing the wealthy, as Trudeau has proposed, and not surprisingly. Those like himself are always going to advance that proposition, knowing full well the real effects of their increased taxation will fall on those who aspire to wealth under their own initiative. Not those who are already wealthy, through inheritance, as is Trudeau himself,

” I think the Mulroney Government toppled because of corruption Palopu.
Remember ? Mulroney was and is a crook.”

Some people seem to think that passing $ 120k bucks under the table in a brown paper bag are o.k. – as long as nobody finds out! Then it is a quick letter to Revenue Canada to declare the amount as previously overlooked income for tax purposes. Just a reminder for those who cast stones.

Wonder why ‘Mr. Dithers’, back when he was Jean Chretien’s Minister of Finance, overturned an Advance Ruling by the tax experts at Revenue Canada about the taxability of a certain ‘trust fund’ a super wealthy Canadian family, said to be the Bronfmans, wanted to move to an offshore tax haven? Apparently the tax people viewed such a move would trigger a tax, given the rules then in existence. But they were over-ruled. By a guy who’s now standing up for a young fellow who would be PM on a promise to ‘tax the wealthy’. And backed up by his then boss, another former PM who’s now publicly backing ‘Junior’, too. Hmmm.

And Paul Martins ships not registered in Canada….
(I know you will get to it eventually)

Mulroney pocketed at least $300, 000 (Shrieber -Air Bus scandal) plus the 2 million he sued the people of Canada for. Mulroney only comes back to Canada when he needs surgery.

Remember when Brian and Mila Mulroney moved out of 24 Sussex ? Officials had to stop them from stealing stuff that belongs to the people of Canada. CROOKS !

Knew a RCMP member once who was part of the detail that guarded 24 Sussex when Pierre and Margaret were in residence. Said they were regularly sent out to procure illegal drugs for delivery to the occupants. Someone, apparently, had developed quite a habit of getting high.

Digitus:-“And Paul Martins ships not registered in Canada….
(I know you will get to it eventually) ”
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Not me. He’d likely have gone broke if they were. No “Jones Act” in this country. Nothing to prevent foreign registered vessels from hauling cargoes between two or more Canadian ports, and having to be crewed by Canadian sailors.

Socredible….why do you think Pierre liked to visit Turkey. But that’s a good story.

When Gordon Campbell was Premier it always used to give me cause for wonder as to whether ‘fetal alcohol syndrome’ might’ve possibly passed through male genes, too, and not just female ones. And Justin does want to legalise pot, doesn’t he? How far will he go? I can hear it now, “Just watch me.”