2008 Federal Election results for PG Cariboo Riding.

Cons. 22,619
Libs. 4,309
NDP. 10,579
GRN. 2,614

2011 Federal Election results for PG Cariboo Riding.

Cons. 24,443
Libs. 2,200
NDP. 13,135
GRN. 2,702

Its pretty obvious that the voters in the PG Cariboo Riding do not agree with Calogheros’s assessment of the PG Riding and voters preference. Harris increased his vote in 2011 over 2008, while the Libs went the other way.

To suggest that those people who supported Harris are disillusioned in more wishful thinking than fact.

She will be hard pressed to beat the Greens and NDP in the coming election let alone the Conservatives.

Have a nice day.

Palopu….are you trying to convince yourself or others ?

Palopu says, “If I or any other candidate”

Shouldn’t you be knocking on doors Todd.

Digitus Impudicus. The numbers speak for themselves there is no convincing required.

Dave. I noticed the **If I or any other candidate** line after I posted and thought that someone would think that I was running. Didn’t think that they would try and connect me to Todd, however whatever turns your crank.

If I was running as a Candidate you would sure as hell know about it by now and you would know where I stand on issues.

Please stop with all the bs hyperbole.

Guess the writer is Liberal for only party they interviewed here

Palopu….what is with numbers from the past ? Is the calendar on your wall a picture of the 1967 Toronto Maple Leafs ?

Guess the writer is Liberal for only party they interviewed here

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Maybe the other candidates weren’t allowed to talk?

Looking at the parties platforms or lack there of for the Cons.

Looking at our candidates resumes, and listening to their interviews on the radio, or lack there of for Todd.

As of now I will be voting for Tracy Calogheros.

I like that she is not scripted or reading from notes. We need real people in Ottawa not Harper pupets.

Still a long time till election day but if I was to vote today it would be for Tracy Calogheros.

So I guess that makes it 2201 Palopu

Even if I were a delusional Federal Liberal and entertained supporting Trudeau, Calogheros would be the last person I’d ever cast a vote for. I actually feel Simon Yu was a stronger and more likable candidate in 2006. Shocking how she throws him under the bus with her comments… especially when she was the chair of the local riding association at the time.

More political rhetoric, blah blah blah. Again the Liberals have people with zero real world experience trying to collect our votes. I wouldn’t let Justin Trudeau house sit for me, probably return to a keg party and strippers.

What exactly is her experience? Why would we vote for her? She brings up the ‘Canada she used to know’, as if the world hasn’t changed enormously since the 70’s.

You guys are funny you just spout off hate and I should change my mind.

I said as of now she is who I am voting for.
The other candidates is our riding have not impressed me.

Palopuppet , which candidate are you ? After watching Stevie mock Trudeau ,with his teenie ,tiny pinching of his fingers , hunched over like quasi moto and his performance in the CBC interveiw . I was struck by how childish he really is . How many times did he say now look or look in a condescending way . Like a child being asked a question . And you read like a pmo plant . You must be a 1%er otherwise , well , you know .

Think you’ll fare better with a Trudeau puppet than a Harper puppet, Dave? Not likely. But if you want to accelerate the process of being ground to a financial poverty between the two millstones of ‘inflation’ and ‘taxation’ then Justin’s your boy and Tracy’s your girl. Somehow I feel there’ll be a strange silence coming from her when that starts to happen, and the only thing you’ll hear from her then will be very “scripted” or “read from notes”.

The 75 cent dollar ( price inflation not wage inflation ) is a con construct and a self induced recession . It didn’t have to happen . Stevie is incompetent or worse .

Hey attaloser you must be one dope smoking doughhead to want JT to represent Canada on the world stage. YOU think we have a deficit now just wait and see what Margarets little boy has in store for us. MAYBE You where in diapers when daddy ran the show…..zippo representation for the west. I know you should move to Quebec.

Unlike you ice ,I don’t just make things up . Is your lack of memory self induced ? I’m green through and through but I will vote stradigicly . Abc #leadnow btw PET tried to establish a national energy policy but the Koch brothers didn’t like it and either did their minions . Look where that got the west of canada . I’d love to live in Quebec but she that must be obeyed doesn’t want too . Too deep are the roots in B.C.

Hey Ataloss you have a way with words I remember the senior Trudeau he was a great Prime Minister. The boy has big shoes to fill.
Cheers

I wish Rambo would run, he would surely win.lol

He is running . In Whitehorse . He’s the new women’s light weight champion of the Yukon ,Ryan Leef .

I like Tracy. She is local, tells it like it is, and hits the nail on the way a lot of people feel about the direction of our country. Between Calogheros and Clair this riding actually has a real choice to make for the first time in decades.

Thanks R2 , I hear he’s got really , really big feet. I just tell it like it is . Like why would a prime minister of a whole diverse country put all our RnD money into heavy oil industry . It was in the billions . The only thing I can think of was to starve the rest of canada into pipelines for survival . Why are none of you mentioning . Lynton Crosby , the race baiter . He’s taking over for Frum .

Ataloss. You seem to stumble from topic to topic, making asinine statements seems to be your forte. If I was running the Green party I would ask you not to vote for me as the association would hurt my campaign.

Dave. You are assuming that Tracy can hang on to the 2200 votes and add a few more in this election,. Keep in mind that the Libs lost 2200 votes between 2008 and 2011. So she has to pick up a hell of a lot of votes to have any chance at all.

Yeah, some National Energy Policy that was, courtesy of Justin’s pappy. Your own government got to gouge you the last 3% in profit that made up the price of a litre of gas. On top of all the other taxes that made up nearly half of the rest of that price. Alberta was told that their oil would have to go to the rest of Canada first, paid for in Canadian dollars, regardless of what they could get for it internationally, where it would be paid for in US dollars. Which were at a premium to ours.

Now that would’ve been just fine if the good people of Alberta had got any manufactures they purchased made in Ontario or Quebec at a similar discount. After all, we’re all supposed to be Canadians, aren’t we? And what’s good for one region should certainly be good for another. And even better if the price at the pump, to us all, Canadian consumers, had been lowered . But it wasn’t, and they didn’t. In fact the manufacturers of cars and appliances and other wares from Canada’s industrial heartland charged MORE for goods made in the country and sold here than they did selling the same goods into export markets.

I feel like that loss of votes was due to the candidate being a UBC student that lived in Vancouver.

But then again maybe not she lived closer to the riding than Dick Harris.

Funny how people vote.

I don’t know what Calogheros is talking about when she says we need to take Canada back. Back to what? What change do we need? If it an’t broke don’t fix it. Calogheros is just an opportunist hopping to get a better paying job with a potential for a pension. Where is the party’s policy to improve the lives of Canadians? Deficit financing? Justin’s father was famous for that. Turn Canada to another Greece, so that we need to stand in line for a few bucks to buy some bread? The Conservative Government has served Canadians well, managing the economy. Harper is and has been an exceptional good PM, his leadership was recognized last Thursday by the UN as the worlds best statesman. We as Canadians have excellent leadership with Mr. Harper and the Conservative. :)

Socredible:” In fact the manufacturers of cars and appliances and other wares from Canada’s industrial heartland charged MORE for goods made in the country and sold here than they did selling the same goods into export markets”

That is called dumping and actually is illegal. But, as long as nobody complains….

Along came “Irish Are Smiling” Conservative Mulroney and fixed all that with his lopsided (give everything away including the kitchen sink) NAFTA agreement? Even allowing for the changing Canadian dollar exchange rate vs. the US dollar prices for cars, trucks and a number of consumer goods have been and still are much higher here than in the U.S.A which got the better of us!

You got some good ideas, but they will never be implemented and put to the test unless you start a party and govern the country. The self-liquidating ideas can be put into practice! But just remember, Canada is not an island that has no contact with the outside world, none whatsoever.

Cheetos:-“I don’t know what Calogheros is talking about when she says we need to take Canada back. Back to what? ”
————————————————————————-Back to some mamby-pamby country that couldn’t do a thing internationally until it checked with the UN first. You know, that great, completely un-elected body that’s supposed to be the pre-cursor to One World Government. Back to one that had a Federal government that had no respect for our traditions, or institutions, or even our ‘British’ system of government ~ that mocked them and denigrated them at every opportunity. Yet it hadn’t the guts to stand up and openly say just what it WAS for. We were too ‘colonial’ they protested, as they stripped away the proper names of our defence forces, especially anything with that hated word “Royal” on it. Even though that title had been earned ~ and often hard earned, too ~ by those who gave their all to defend our Dominion. She no doubt wants a country where the Provinces that make it up have little or no say in their own affairs. One where all power is centralised in Ottawa, like it was under Trudeau the First (and hopefully, the Last!) One where a debt-dealing elite are further enshrined in their overall ability to rule the roost, and pernicious taxation on the ambitious stifles individual initiative, and leaves those who’ve already ‘got’ secure in their positions of power and influence.

I don’t know why we are so concerned about electing the right person to represent us in Ottawa. The cabinet rules the roost. The important idea is to get the person of your favorite party elected to give the house a majority and it will decide what gets done.

Well of course its great for Tracy to express her ideas and be a personable individual but vote for the party and forget about Tracy.
Cheers

Prince George:-“Socredible:” In fact the manufacturers of cars and appliances and other wares from Canada’s industrial heartland charged MORE for goods made in the country and sold here than they did selling the same goods into export markets”

That is called dumping and actually is illegal. But, as long as nobody complains….”
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‘Dumping’ wasn’t what I was referring to, Prince George. What was happening under the NEP was that Alberta was to provide its oil to the rest of Canada at a ‘discount’ over what that same oil would’ve fetched internationally (through currency exchange differences ~ our buck was less than the US buck, which oil is normally priced in internationally). But there was no comparable ‘discount’ on cars and appliances and other goods manufactured in Ontario and Quebec when sold to Albertans. The central Provinces could sell these things into the USA and pick up a premium through currency exchange, (just as Alberta had been doing on its oil), there was no requirement they be sold in Alberta for less. So Albertans were treated just like we here in BC used to be treated by the Pearson and Trudeau Liberal governments~ “…like a goblet to be drained.” That’s no way to build a country all its citizens can be proud of.

BTW, Prince George, I never liked Brian Mulroney. I would rank him up with Trudeau as one of the worst PMs this country ever was cursed with. Lester Pearson, in my opinion, was the absolute worst. But Mulroney and Trudeau are about equal for second worst. NAFTA, and all the other so-called ‘free trade’ deals we’ve entered into, have all been flawed in that they don’t deal with the fundamental problem that causes our economy to continually under-perform what it’s more than capable of actually doing to advance the well-being and prosperity of us all.

Prince George:-“You got some good ideas, but they will never be implemented and put to the test unless you start a party and govern the country. The self-liquidating ideas can be put into practice! But just remember, Canada is not an island that has no contact with the outside world, none whatsoever. ”
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Yes, Prince George, the restoration of the ability of the financial system to be continually more fully ‘self-liquidating’ could quite easily be put into practice. But starting a Party to try to do that wouldn’t be the way to do it. That was tried, initially way back in the 1930’s, and for several decades following, and it proved to be a miserable failure. Too many other completely or largely unrelated issues were brought up by the other Parties, and that side-tracked the whole purpose. And it’s not necessary, in any case, since ANY of the existing Parties could adopt the necessary policies. So that just leaves the question, which one of them is going to be the most likely to, when other things that have been tried, often repeatedly, prove again to be found wanting?

All I read is hatred. A very sad situation.

Socredible wrote: “…………..have all been flawed in that they don’t deal with the fundamental problem that causes our economy to continually under-perform.”

Maybe we are looking at a microcosm of Canadian society right here in this name calling, accusatory comment section. That would easily cause our economy and anything else we do to continually under-perform. We cannot agree to pull in the same direction for the sake of the country, If it gets any worse, we might want to try a civil war. Then at least we could rebuild and increase our GDP. :-J

gopg2015, it all comes down to whether we form associations so that by associating we can primarily better serve our individual needs and desires as individuals, or do we form them so that we can primarily serve the association. The latter seems to be the philosophy of the Liberal Party, and the NDP, and the Greens. And you. The former should be, but is not completely at present, the philosophy of the Conservatives. That we should build up from the individual, not down from the State. The latter philosophy is militaristic, just as Otto von Bismarck once observed of his (supposed) ‘socialist’ rivals in the pre-WW I Germany he’d united by ‘blood and iron’, “We march separately, but we conquer together.” Other versions of the same thing, “The individual Marine can die on the field of battle, but the (US) Marine Corps lives on forever.” It is a very dangerous philosophy. For the continued well-being of each of us, as individuals.

To go a little away from the philosophical, the primary reason the Canadian economy continually under-performs is because it fails to adequately distribute for CONSUMPTION, as, when, and where required and desired, what it is more than capable of turning out in the way of PRODUCTION. Actual ‘consumer demand’, which invariably exists to a far greater degree than is currently being satiated from the delivery of goods and services often already in existence, let alone easily produced, is choked off through a lack of “effective demand” ~ the ability of consumers to fully liquidate ‘costs’ through ‘prices’ as they’re presently computed. To the extent the economy manages to carry on, it does so by exponential increases in debt necessary to now try to bridge this ever widening gap between incomes and what they have to pay for to continue to live.

“it all comes down to whether we form associations so that by associating we can primarily better serve our individual needs and desires as individuals, or do we form them so that we can primarily serve the association.”

You do not have a fundamental understanding of society and why we gather in groups and associate with groups. Alone we have no capacity to make change other than retreating into our own environment. The extreme of that is becoming hermits. Let the world around you do what it wants.

You do not seem to realize that associations are individuals who associate with each other to gain some sort of common advantage. There are thousands of associations from common purposes in photography, sports, helping others, trying to get the people elected that one wants to get elected.

In fact, the MPs are an association of parliamentarians who give the country direction.

Obviously you do not like associations, so you really are a Libertarian. Except that it is difficult to give directions to a country as a Libertarian. In the extreme you would be an Anarchist.

Whether you have thinking patterns along those directions or whether you could stand being a member of an Anarchist or Libertarian Association, I do not know. From what you are writing, you could not be unless you are a hypocite.

Palopu you do know that we have a secret ballet , right ? Have you ever heard the adjective Red Tory ? Those are the type of Tories that vote liberal when the NDP scare the crap out of them . I wonder how many Green Tories there are ? Elizabeth is offering federal Phamacare and no Bill c51 . I think I’m in love .

I was just checking where you might find a better home to suit your anti association philosophy. I think Colombia might still offer some independence from society for you. Take a gun for self defense. :-J

What a pile of rhetorical tripe. What is this exceptional Liberal platform Tracy? She doesn’t mention any of it. She wants to take back Canada. She mentions nothing of what. Individuals in silos, blah blah. She said nothing in this article but spent much time saying it. Typical Liberal. She’s definitely with the right party.

Ataloser, man your a piece of work. Calling Harper childish and then posting your bizarre crap is, well, I don’t know what it is. I like how on a previous post you blamed corporations for putting to much sugar in food.
Typical leftard, blame everyone but yourself. I guess no one told you 10 mars bars and a case of coke a day would make you fat butterball trucker.

Cheetos and socredible nailed it. Read their posts ataloser and learn.

R02:”Well of course its great for Tracy to express her ideas and be a personable individual but vote for the party and forget about Tracy.”

Well, what seems to be the problem with voting for the party AND Tracy?

After all, she happens to be the candidate in that riding of the party and she is running to be elected!

What a bonus if she is educated, personable, able to communicate and likeable!

gopg2015 – it’s not hatred, it’s passion. My mother always told me not to bring up religion or politics at a party – it always brings out the worst in people.

“In fact, the MPs are an association of parliamentarians who give the country direction.”

Not if their ambitions and opinions don’t make it past the PM and the PMO. By now everybody should be aware that this is what has been happening for the last decade. It appears that it is about to change.

That’s why they call Harper ” a party of one”

Here is the quote from Zimmer on 250 when they opened the office.

It is the only quote which was reported. It may have been the only one he gave.

“I don’t think we have an advantage, ” said Zimmer. “I think we need to win the voters confidence in Prince George and throughout the region. I don’t believe we have safe seats.”

Excellent tactic … play the underdog!! which is close to the truth nationally, but maybe not here.

Where is the policy? What will they do for PG?

Check it out here …. the people in attendance are in the background all in the dark. The others, other than Sheldon’s, we could see how many were there at the ribbon cutting.

250news.com/2015/08/12/conservatives-open-campaign-office/

gopg2015, I’m not a ‘Libertarian’, nor an ‘Anarchist’. Nor am I against associations, provided they’re formed to better serve those associating. Not to be their masters.

lbear. I will agree it is passion.

ISIS has passion too.

If we keep building upon our passion expressed in this form, we could end up like ISIS. It would not be the first time in history.

That first hit me when I watched pictures of Sarajevo on the news. Unbelievable to see a modern society blow itself to bits. Something my parents experienced and, until that time, I never thought I would experience it. Of course they did in real life and I just watched it on TV.

Prince George:-“gopg2015:- “In fact, the MPs are an association of parliamentarians who give the country direction.”

Not if their ambitions and opinions don’t make it past the PM and the PMO. By now everybody should be aware that this is what has been happening for the last decade. It appears that it is about to change.
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‘For the last decade’? It’s been happening ever since there was a Party system, with very few exceptions. (One notable one being the amount of latitude Social Credit MLAs who formed WAC Bennett’s early governments were allowed in the criticism of it. Many of them expressed opinions clearly contrary to the way the government was going if they thought it was acting against the wishes of their constituents, or had an axe to grind with it on some particular issue. And weren’t expelled from caucus, or ‘whipped’ into submission as a result.)

Socredible > “provided they’re formed to better serve those associating”

Well, that is all up to those doing the associating, isn’t it? It starts by agreeing on a code of conduct. But, it has been my experience with associations that most larger ones will not go back to the members unless they have no way around it. So, no matter where you are or at what level of risk you might have one has to be vigilant. It has also been my experience that in large membership associations, the same as all parts of society, it is the minority who not only lead, but also do. Join in, be part of those that do, speak up, and you will be on the way to have an effective, well run, participatory association.

As was said, the movement has to start from the bottom up. That itself is a commune > socialistic notion and not an elite notion that the Lords rule the shire and the king rules the kingdom.

It is Sunday night ….. time to disassociate myself from this 250News commentators association.

I just checked the seat counts and party distributions over the last 4 elections. I predict a close tie for the NDP, Libs, and Cons hovering around 100 seats each plus or minus 10%. The election result will be decided, as usual, in Ontario and Quebec.

If that is the outcome, modern Canadian election history will be made and I have not got the faintest clue what will happen because Canada has no real experience with forming coalition governments before going to the Governor General with a plan of how to run the country.

We may be in for our third negative growth quarter.

Ataloss,. The NDP and Liberals do not scare the crap out of Conservatives. Fact of the matter is the Conservatives scare the hell out of the NDP and Liberals because they put them into the opposition. The Liberals hate being the 3rd party and having the NDP as the official opposition. The NDP are running around in diapers wondering how to be effective in opposition, and of course scared s…less that they might get elected and actually have to try and run a Country.

Mulcair and Trudeau should have their own comedy hour on TV, where we can all get a laugh at the hilarious promises they are making. These guys have trouble tying their shoelaces, and shaving, and they want to run the Country.

So tune in for the next Mulcair and Trudeau comedy hour.

If we’re into predicting at this early stage of the game, I still think the Conservatives will go back in, probably with a small majority. People will indeed reflect on everything promised between now and Election Day, and those who have not yet made up their minds will take a look at what the Liberal and NDP promises are likely to cost them in increased taxation ~ far more than can be gleaned from just taxing the ‘wealthy’ ~ and with those already voting Conservative, that’ll be enough to put Harper over the top. But a lot can happen in the next month, so we’ll find out after the polls close.

Mulcair and Trudeau have nothing to give Canadians, they are takers. Hang on to your wallets and purses if either these two get in.

Palopu , stop pretending that you don’t know what red Tories are . It makes you read as stupid . I’ll make it a little easier for you to understand . red Tories also vote strategicly against what they perceive as against their own self interest . That’s why the NDP , libs are jockeying for the left and middle . This will be a shocker for you . I hope you are sitting . There are also BLUE LIBERALS .

That’s nothing, Ataloss, there are also RED GREENS. Break out the duct tape!

And BLUE Cheetos !