At a minimum 4th Avenue should be converted to two way traffic.

If it is, the bums, panhandlers, drug dealers and users and homeless denizens will then have to look both ways to cross the street. How inconvenient for them then, eh? Doesn't bother me though. I never go downtown. For obvious reasons.

Too much, too little, too late.
metalman.

Waste of our money....Bigtime.

I was in Kamloops and wow, they have done a great job of fixing up that city! Maybe our city planners etc should take a lesson from them.
Waste of our money....Bigtime, why would you say that??? PG needs to spend some $$$ on downtown....Bigtime. I do think they need to somehow tear down those deralick buildings i.e. PG hotel, croft etc and build something decent...They should have put the sandman downtown and made it tall instead of spralling, same w/ the 4 pts...why they are where they are I don't get...I'm hoping PG will catch up w/ the rest of the cities in this province that are the same size like Kamloops, Nanaimo etc...being in the North is no excuse to be dirty and neglected looking anymore - lets get w/ the program!!

Don says lets talk about about this. Like why are there no bums and First Nationals in the drawing?
The improvements along Third Avenue sure did nothing to increase the quality of bums and social refuse that inhabits the area.

The mayor says this isn't about approval of the project, it's about consultation, let's talk about this.

Sounds like the ol fence sitter I know him to be.

Now of all times they want to fix up downtown...jeez

"Now of all times they want to fix up downtown"

The world has come to a stop, I keep forgetting about that.

It is a self fulfilling prophesy. We are our own worst enemies.

Yes downtown Kamloops does look great, but we have to get rid of some junk buildings. I know its more money but the city maybe, while prices are down, look into buying some more property downtown, tear down and resell. Might work, any ideas out there.

The 4 points and Sandman are built because of the Casino. That is where Major dictated to the city they be built.

another oblivious designer not from this region implementing a design most appropriate in a more temperate climate while failing to realize that it snows here, a lot. Like the dumb a$$ that designed the new parking lot for the new hart hardware or the wingnut that designed all of the Canadian tire to wal-mart area.
Take away the impeding trees, give some room for snow removal, and for god's sake, put the awnings back down town.
They should have a rule that anyone that wants to design public spaces in PG should have to live here for a while, at least during the winter.

We could bulldoze some of the burned out hulks for temporary snow dumps.

"another oblivious designer" Truer words were never spake (?) Why, I think your're right! It was Dumb, Ass, and Doh! that designed a lot of the parking lots around here, not to one up you, Loki, but you forgot; Parkwood, Citygate (Riverstone/BOM) and even the new Riverpointe (Brick) is a lousy design, although at least there is a bit more room.
metalman.

I think the cities error was not locating new facilities downtown such as the multiplex and the pool. Civic infrastructure investment should lead the way and private investment will tend to cluster around it. In Van they build GM Place in what was a dirty part of town. Now the private investment is clustering around in the form of Tinseltown and countless new buildings. If the Multiplex had been built downtown and the casio would have been forced to stay downtown those would have been huge steps toward downtown revitalization. Instead investment has spread to other areas and the downtown has continued to deteriorate to the point where I am not sure there is any point in trying anymore.

Ya, its was Kinsleys fault for letting the city develop outside of downtown. They should of built everything down there, and once that got turned around let development sprall. Its never to late though. Well in this economy, it might be on hold for a few years.

What an unfortunate waste...
who wants to go downtown anyways....
I can go to a mall and get anything I need and never have to worry about a parking ticket....I can even stay overnight if I like....

Metalman: no oneupmanship percieved, thanks for the addendum.
Born in BC has it right, they have been squawking about downtown revitalization for years, yet not only allow but also encourage development outside the downtown core. They should made Canadian tire and home depot locate downtown.
But then who ever said politicians had intelligence. There is not one politico that is really concerned for their own citizens. Not our municipal leader nor our provincial representative (MLA), or federal (MP). So they will pander to whomever can pad their personal pockets or further their political aims.

Are you hearing this, Dan and Council, Pat Bell and Dick.
Have we had enough Dickbell yet?

And you put a court house and a needle exchange where they want people to go? what kind of sense is that...I don't want my kids or grandkids a part of that junk....and yes there has been a lot of talk...and not much action...so typical of the City of PG...time for another study maybe??????

"it's about consultation, lets talk" Dan Rogers, the fence sitter, is back!! He did it before, took a 3 year break, and now he is back, with the same picket sticking out of his unowhat!!!

My son and daughter moved to Calgary about 7 years ago. They come back to visit once in awhile, but not that often. On their last return, my daughter said "dad, Prince George is a real sh!t hole" One doesn't notice it so much, when you live with it, day in and day out. They refer to it as "stinky town" and everyone knows where they are talking about.

It is time we fix our roads, fix our air, and make our "stinky town" look and smell good again. 4th avenue needs no attention right now. It is probably one of the best ones down there. The businesses on Speciality Avenue have done a great job of dressing up their block. We have the EI building in one of the blocks, that was refaced a few years ago, and City Furniture has painted the old "Bay" parkade. The block from Victoria St. to Brunswick St. consists of the Scotia Bank building, the TD Bank building, the Seniors Center, and the call center building. The block between George St. and Queensway, consists of the Ramada Hotel, the Plaza 400 building, and a cross from that I believe a union office.

The only block in question by some of you, is the block where the Croft Hotel. In that block, we have The Achillion Restaurant (very nice) a parking lot, a native medical office, and the John Howard Society.

So, what needs fixing??? As others have said, the social issues downtown need to be fixed. Paving the road, making it two way, or planting trees, will not fix the social issues downtown. Who comes up with these Grandiose ideas anyway! It looks to me like we have another 3 years of fools spending our money, to meet their own needs. Shari Green, who has a vested interest in this, is not comfortable with it. So where did the idea come from?? Within City Hall. If that is the case, some heads need to roll.

cheers

and BTW, as a cab driver, I am here to tell you, I very seldom get a problem customer from the Croft Hotel. They run a clean show there. Don't judge a book by it's cover! It is an old building, but it has a nice mural on the side, and the front is kept up. Maybe stop in some time, and meet the folks that frequent the place, and the staff that work there, you may be pleasantly surprised! A drunk is a drunk, is a drunk, no matter if they drink at the Croft, or the BX, if you have a dime in your pocket, or a million dollars!!

This 4th Ave. thing is a crock of S--t, you know it, and I know. The "GOON SQUAD" should soon start to listen, to the people that write their pay checks!!

Tawi says "...and make our "stinky town" look and smell good again..."

When was that? I've been here since 1953.

You must be thinking of the weekends in the 60's when everything was closed or shutdown.

TAXInaPOTHOLE ..

You are right on about 4th avenue. They do not need to spend that kind of money. They never learn that the "problems" cannot be solved by putting red pavers on sidewalks.

Maintain what we have. There is nothing worse than those lit stars on the light standards with lights half burned out or totally burned out. THAT is what looks bad, poor maintenance.

YDPC

Go get your nose checked. Missing a few olfactory nerves I think.