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Our Roads, 20 Years Of Neglect

By Ben Meisner

Tuesday, March 24, 2009 03:44 AM

We are being told the pot holes that you have been dodging the past few weeks are caused by the melting and then freezing conditions in the city, conditions which are causing sheer havoc with our roads.

The City's Streets division has been receiving an increasing nuber of calls about the location of pot holes. That is no surprise given the condition of our roads.

What the City will not tell you is that the problem of the streets has been simmering for years and it is about to show its ugly head.

For the past twenty years, City Councils (bent on providing the City with increasing services) have been setting the matter of re building our roads to the side. Former Mayor Colin Kinsley once said he thought the roads in this City were very good compared to other centers he had visited. That was the kind of attitude displayed in the past two decades and we now find we are faced with a horrendous problem.

We need to spend money, a lot of money to re build our city streets. We don’t have the money and while we have added a levy to the taxes aimed at correcting the problem, it does little to attack the problem.

We need some major money and some major repair done in the city. That, coupled with the fact that when the roads showed wear and the price of asphalt was cheap, we left the issue on the back burner.

Now while we would like to pin back the ears of the new council members and newly elected Mayor Dan Rogers  for the dreadful condition, they are not the problem.

There are some people sitting on Council who should be called upon to answer why we allowed our roads to get into such disrepair, they were told of the impending problem they just failed to act on it.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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but Ben, we need to have the PAC at a price of $54 million, we need to pretty up 4Th Ave., and it goes on and on and on! As I said in a pothole just now, I have had enough of the bull$h!t coming out of city hall.

I'm out of here. I have applied for a position in Kamloops. At least there, they are recognized by the Provincial Government
and one more thing Ben, I agree with you totally, 20 years of neglect, building all the fancy stuff for the select few!! Now the select few have their fancy SUV's, and I would venture to guess, that they don't give a damn about the roads, or the rest of us poor fools that pay the bills
Problem is we are not operating with the correct technology.

And we have to stop simply milling off the top few inches of asphalt and resurfacing, man, that is so stupid, given the underlying structure of many of the city streets. There are problems with the base, it is the same old story, you put a nice smooth layer over top of the problem. The problem is an unstable base, it moves, you get cracking of the smooth top layer. Cracking lets the water in. Then the freeze thaw cycle begins, and the alignment shops get more work from us drivers pounding into and out of the inevitable pot hole.
The foregoing is mainly conjecture, I admit, but I have observed this phenonomen over and over, and believe I am right.
metalman.
Correct technology? Technology can only fix so many things. The problem here is we are not operating with the correct perspective.

1. recognize the problem
2. find a solution
3. implement the solution
4. evaluate the implemented solution
5. return to step 1 to deal with problems identified in #4

The correct technology is step #2. We have not compelted #1 yet.

Tell them about the continuous improvement loop built into the above process and they will get completely lost going around in circles.

I was watching some eastern new on TV last night. One City is asking the Feds for $600+ million in infrastructure money, a large proportion going to maintenance.

Both the US and Canada have a huge infrastructure maintenance problem. We no longer have to bomb the hell out of other countries to keep the construction industry working. We need to focus on rebuilding our own country and our own cities.

The Boundary Rd. money should be going into fixing our existing street inventory before we add new roads.
What bothers me is the 11 million dollars the City is going to BORROW in order to pave a 6'x 11klm trail when our road is infected with potholes and we have no sidewalk. In some places there is barely an edge of road. The first half of our road is in perfect condition due to the cities Ball Park and beautifully paved parking lot. Nice bike path...the whole works! Between the Regional and the city our taxes have been increased to the tune of almost 9%. The federal and provincial governments gave us breaks and our city is raping that and much more from us. For what? Luxuries like the new 58 million dollar art centre, 11 million trail and no layoffs for the city. They kept our assessments the same as well when the housing market has dropped. We need to take control people! We need to say ENOUGH!
Talking about updated technology, found this post in the other "pot hole" article on this site:

"Posted by: diplomat on March 24 2009 7:46 AM
There is a piece of equipment which is in use in quite a few cities in Canada and other countries, even in a climate as cold as Alaska's.

It's called an automated pothole patcher. Google it. It is manned by one person sitting in an enclosed cab from where all the controls are operated.

It blows dirt and water out of the pothole with an intense blast of hot air and it completely dries the pothole out before it pumps the hot paste of the patching material into the hole.

It then tamps it down, evens it out and it coats the patch with a powder which prevents it from sticking to tires while it is curing.

It's no rocket science, it's been around for quite a while and it beats the old manual method of shoveling the stuff into a wet hole and beating it into submission with the flat side of a shovel.

City Hall does not believe in automating this, so we are stuck in the dark ages."
sounds like a cool machine PG could use it year round.
the unions would bitch that it would cost union jobs. boo bloody hoo


Just out of idle interest which countries has Canada bombed the hell out of lately?

As far as potholes go, it's a global problem, I live in Germany atm and the autobahns are in really rough shape, the street in front of my house is cracked extensively by the roots of trees. Repairs are only carried out when there is acute danger it seems, and then it is only a bandaid solution.

This although I lash out a hell of a lot more taxes than Canadian residents do.
Canada is not known for bombing the hell out of anyone. Are you in Germany right now posting on here?
Yes, I've lived in Germany for quite some time now, I was stationed here with the Airforce, and remained after taking my release here. Am originally from PG though.