Are the designers from Vancouver or Florida?
A reminder for the designers, it snows here, a lot.

Do they mean completion will be in the year 2009?

When are they going to complete the connector between Ospika and highway 16? That would bleed off some traffic.

It is the worst intersection in PG because the traffic is always crossing each lane's flow. This is a major highway intersection, it should be treated as such. In other words, cloverleaf.

I agree Loki- to do this intersection right it has to be set up for continuous traffic flow.The doubling of turn lanes will definitely help but I don't think it is looking far enough down the road and I believe there will not be a significant enough reduction in traffic incidents to justify this half-assed attempt,which is just another BAND-AID!!!

IDL..... they wont be done til this time next year. look at the Cameron Street Bridge.

These are the same guys who have a construction zone all the way up Tyner, even though only working in one little section at a time. They should be charged with not taking down the signs at the end of the day and also not around the actual work site.

I absolutely hate the merge lane just off Cowart Road onto Hwy 16. Most of the time people don't even look and they just jump into traffic, causing many near collisions. Adding an acceleration lane will only add fuel to an already dangerous intersection.

I was glad to see they are going to do an upgrade - until I saw who the contractor was!

NO Doubt, who in the hell is getting their pockets lined from IDL for them to be winning all these construction contracts with their PATHETIC performance record.

I bet the first thing they do is remove all the pavement and have a nice dirt intersection to grade twice a day from now until March 2010 when they finally finish! just like they did at the cameron st bridge!

1. People in PG have to learn to become big city drivers so that they learn how to use such lanes. The one coming from HWY 97 south at Pine Centre turning right into HWY 16 west is a proper acceleration lane. The one being fixed now atr Domano is not. Neither is the one at Cowart Rd.

There are many more places in the city which should have acceleration lanes.

2. The $7+ million is most certainly a band aid solution. If one would have taken that money and the money used to build the underpass access to the box store mall, one would have had a good chumk of the money it would take to build a grade separated intersection there. It would not have to be a cloverleaf but could be like the exit and entry ramps from the HWY 16 north lane onto North Nechako road. The only reason there is a quarter cloverleaf there is because of the proximity to the Parkhill Centre.

4. It seems to me that Canadian Tire was allowed to build much too close to that intersection. It cramps any design for a reasonable interchange there. Tyner/Domano should definitely be a fly-over.

Fall ends December 21. They have 15 weeks with much nighttime work. Good luck

Most of these accidents were caused by people, so I think they should just spend the money on upgrading people.

Idle
Dumb
Layabouts

yep, sure Fall ends on December 21st, but the Asphalt plants likely to shut down November 6th this year. Thus, I would doubt MoTH would go for that You waiver , we'll pave her.

I would have to say all the accidents were caused by people.

Too bad, the guys in government don't see that, projects like this should come out in February, thus by begining of May, the contractors are chomping to get started, then they have all summer to build it... correctly.

I suppose in all fairness, The delay on the Bridge was not solely IDL's issues.

Somehow, I would have to believe that not all the information that is printed is correctly updated, but they run with what ever is on file.

All of you are just complaining for stupid reasons. Why don't you try and look at the fact that the intersection is finally being given some consideration? In addition where do you suppose more money would come from? Do any of you want to pay more taxes in order to get this built? Let's face it, the interior of BC has always been last to get a piece of the pie but we're slowing getting there. Maybe someone should actually look and say that Shirley, Pat and John are actually getting something done in their ridings! In other words, quit complaining and start doing something like lobbying or talking to the politicians to get more done in PG. As far as IDL goes, do you want to pay more for someone else to do it?

At least it was a local contractor being awarded the contract.

Cameron Street Bridge delays were design issues and not construction related. IDL has another construction project underway south of the Fraser Bridge in the BCR that is moving along nicely.

This project should have been tendered months ago when the funding was announced.

"Tyner/Domano should definitely be a fly-over"

I agree completely. That's the most common sense solution out there had anyone been thinking long-term. Like usual, they don't seem to have that capacity.

If the name of our city was Kamloops we would have had an overpass.

In Prince George it's obvious our municipal leaders didn't do a very good job of promoting/requesting that the province build it as an overpass. (I wonder if they even asked)

Thanks to the Province for doing something about the intersection. Just wish it was a permenant solution instead of a band-aid

"If the name of our city was Kamloops we would have had an overpass"

There is probably some truth to that. Small city thinking, small city realities :)

Maybe the city can put Walmarts name just below the Southridge name on the sign before the underpass. Then maybe tourists in their large 40 ft. motor homes towing a small car won't have to crawl along the edge of the highway heading west looking for a turn off to get to Wally Mart. And they won't turn left across several lanes of traffic to go into the small exit in front of Crappy Tire. But then again, if you put Wallymarts name on the sign, you'll have to put everyone elses name on that sign. Sigh!

$7.8 million???

They put an entire overpass over highway 16 at the Bobtail forest service road for only $5 million. What could possibly cost so much at Hwy 16 / Domano?

Lunarguy brings up a good point above, what possible reason is there for having a 30km/h zone all the way to the university??

The entire area near this intersection is a disaster.
The new merge lane coming out of Wal-Mart should have been place further up the highway. People come tearing out of there and whip across three lanes of traffic to go up Tyner. Not sure what the big rush is with the 30km/h zone waiting up there, but thats another story.

For 7.8 million I also thought there was going to be some sort of cloverleaf/overpass type installation. It is quite disappointing to hear that this is all that is planned, and by the same company that can only work at snail's pace.

Nothing about this story sounds good.

One thing the newly appointed minister should look at is the quality of work and time-frame involved with these contractors. Why continually reward poor performance with additional work?

Did you notice that there is only one sign on Tyner that says 30km/h. That is the one just after the intersection of Ospika and Tyner, going towards UNBC.

The signs going the other way are 70Km/h and then reduce to 50 shortly before the Ospika intersection. There also are not the normal double fines in construction zone signs. Everyone drives 70ish and 80ish, not 30ish.

"Why continually reward poor performance with additional work?"

Because time is obviously not "of the essence". Money likely is. Whether the quality is there, I do not know. If they built the sportsplex at UNBC, then quality is not there either. Worst concrete job I have ever seen in my life.

Wow. We sure do have a lot of highway and traffic experts on this board.

Yes, we are lucky.

You know, we all drive cars, some of us more than others. We are the users of the facilities.

In most other fields, good designers design to the users' needs. Why should traffic engineering be any different?

Get some aerial photos of the intersection up on a board. Get some users into the room - truckers, cabbies, bus drivers, a few people representing the majority of the drivers, a little old lady/gentleman - and facilitate a brainstorming session.

At the end of the day, the engineers may have an idea of which direction they should be going.

We had a Charette inviting all sorts of people to design the downtown, much more complex than a simple intersection.

Get with the program. This is 2009, not 1909.

gus is right--the only solution is grade separated. We should have them at 15th and 5th as well as 97 and 16. Traffic would move through town with no problem if that was the case.

I vote for a Round-a-Boutie! :)

Maybe we could hire ambassadors to take people by the hand and escort them safely through the intersection.
Then, they won't have to pay attention...oh, that's the problem.

Many of the so-called 'experts' on here have declared the bridge and road design a 'disaster' before day one of its use.

Opinions are like a certain part of the body. Everybody's got one. Doesn't mean they're all valid.

I gotta agree that an underpass would be a better idea. Probably easier said than done though. Seems to me that people running the light is the biggest danger.

Just my opinion.... =]

MrPG and some others might want to read this article and several others which can be found on the web regarding at grade intersetions, especially as it relates to the aging population we are beginning to experience. Within a decade or two 20% of the population will be over 65 and many of those individuals will still be driving. Visual acuity, reaction times, and decision making processes will be bigger cahllenge for the elderly, especially at such intersections.

http://www.tfhrc.gov/pubrds/07jan/02.htm

The article puts forward several interesting concepts. One could be quickly applied in PG and other urban centres - an all red interval to reduce crashes resulting form people running the lights at the changeover from yellow to red. There is virtually no cost to doing this!!!!

"The city of Troy, MI, modified yellow and red clearance intervals on all of its traffic signals to meet current Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE) guidelines, and then reviewed crash results at the 20 intersections with the highest traffic volumes. The ITE-recommended clearance intervals emphasize an all-red period to protect motorists who enter the intersection near the end of yellow from conflict with cross-traffic. The new signal timing worked: total crashes dropped 18 percent for all drivers—but 42 percent for drivers 65 and older."

Frm the above linked article: "Advance street name signs can help a driver who is searching for and intends to turn at a specific intersection prepare for the turn by providing advance notice of the upcoming intersection."

PG is very poor at this. There should be centre of driving lane signs on all the highways in the city at major intersections.

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