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Anti Idling, We Have A Long Way To Go

By Ben Meisner

Monday, November 09, 2009 03:46 AM

The new Anti Idling ambassador , of which part of the job description is to run around town and put a sticky on spots where people idle their vehicles, is about the equivalent of trying to beat a Tyrannosaurus rex  to death with a tack hammer.

When you think about trying to get people to shut their vehicles off to save the air in the city when, for example,  they are waiting in line at Tim’s, you really have to wonder just how honourable are the intentions?

Now I don’t want to take the effort away from them, while it may be very noble in their respective minds, any sane thinking person would quickly come to the conclusion of just how minuscule the impact really is.

If the Idling Fairy really wanted to do something constructive, they might want to try and convince people that the large homes that we have become accustomed to are really not needed and the cost to the atmosphere must be considered. They also might want to talk to the companies and government, including their own, about reducing the amount of heat they use every day in their office. How about a sweater and a reduction of the thermostat setting.

Then there is the matter of the vehicles that we drive. How do you expect people to change the kind of vehicle they drive to a hybrid, it takes money.  Just look around there are a lot of unemployed and people  living near the line that simply can’t afford a new set of modern wheels. They however still need to get to their job and so we are trying to single them out.

The matter of  cooking on your Barb-b-Q, strikes a chord because the smoke from that bar-b is far more harmful than a few seconds of car exhaust at a stop sign. While we are at it, has the Idle Fairy considered talking to restaurants that use grills with vents to the outside world to cook their meats?  That is very harmful and contributes more than Grammas wood stove could ever conceive.

The intention may have been that we are doing something about contributing to the air quality in our city, in reality they have decided to stick the knife in where it will have little meaningful effect. The resulting problem however is that the experiment comes at a heavy cost to those that can afford it the least.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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I agree that the attempt is done with the best of intentions, but the way it was brought to us was HORRIBLE.

An education program would have been much more effective than a rat out your neighbor program. Somebody posted a common sense type program where if your car is in drive you drive and if your car is in park you shut off your engine. That is great, spend the time they spent on the rat out your neighbor campaign and come up with something catchy around that, I think it would have been far more effective.

All I took from the rat out your neighbor campaign is a few well meaning but very naive people thought they had a great idea but their lack of knowledge and experience has bitten them in the ass. The whole campaign was more of a pompus ass approach than a help.

We are a northern working class town, we like our neighbors, we work hard and we want to do whats right. We dont want some pompus ass dogooders telling us what we cant do, we dont want to be told to rat out our neighbors.
IDLE FAIRY--- I like that! Ben has there been any mention of how the above mentioned Fairy is going to get around? Is the city supplying an Enviromentally friendly vehicle or are they resorting to the buses of the transit system which idle all around town?
Poppa,

you should be able to spot her, she will be the one at all the lights holding up traffic as she restarts her vehicle when all the other traffic is moving. She will be talking on her bluetooth headset with an organic tee in one hand and an ice scrapper in the other hand trying to keep her windshield clear. She will also be the one in the subcompact spun out trying to get on the road because she didnt want to purchase a set of winter tires because of the environmental impact. There will be a few bumper stickers, save the trees, save the moose, just say no to Timmies.
What a tremendous waste of money. This ambassador will need to have a sticker for every intersection in the city.
GO AFTER THE BIG COMPANIES LIKE HUSKY OIL, PULPMILLS, SAWMILL, RAILWAY AND BIG TRUCKS FIRST. This is ridiculous! SMELL THIS TOWN! What do you smell? INDUSTRY. Holy crap! When are all levels of government going to grow some balls and stand up for the people who PAY THEIR WAGES? Oh I forgot their wages are subsidised by big polluting companies.
Yes, it's easier for us all if we just do nothing. Ben I'm surprised you worked so hard to save the Nechako.
CaringSoul

you been to Mackenzie recently? I hear the air quality is great and you can get a house cheap.
RUEZ,

its all about picking your fight and how you go about it.

This anti idling campaign has started out very naive and poorly thought out. There are definate merrits to it, but you have to get the public to buy in, not piss them off.

Start with something that people can rally around, and I can assure you that trying to take away peoples morning coffee isnt a good start.

When in drive, drive. When in Park, shut it off.

Its that simple.
Hmm. I am confused. I was under the assumption that this was a measure to improve air quality in the bowl (pretty hopeless but still a worthy goal). Is someone trying to tack this onto saving the earth/climate change? I hope not.
The greatest wear on an engine comes from the starting and stopping.

Here is an interesting fact most people don't know. Most engines built in the last number of years, when coasting down a hill the fuel will shut off. When going down a long hill like on foothills, try keeping your foot off the gas for as long as you can. Notice that your temperature gauge will start to fall. When you depress the gas pedal fuel flow will start again and temperature will return to normal. Neat little fuel saving trick. I don't now if this applies to diesels.

This is not the same as stopping your engine as the internals are still moving from the movement of the vehicle.
I live in an area where neighbours are accustomed to remote start their vehicles in the driveway in the morning and to let them idle while they are inside the house doing other things.

This may take 20 minutes to half an hour, depending on how cold it is.

The whole area stinks of exhaust gases.

As long as the Idling Fairy doesn't work on having the sale of remote starters banned I think the Fairy shouldn't point a finger at someone in the Timmy's drive-through.

"The matter of cooking on your Barb-b-Q, strikes a chord because the smoke from that bar-b is far more harmful than a few seconds of car exhaust at a stop sign."

To stop an engine and all the power to the accessories with it does not save any pollution if it is just for a few seconds.

Is a Barbie Smoke Fairy going to come next to look over my fence?

My God!
"You should be able to spot her, she will be the one at all the lights holding up traffic as she restarts her vehicle when all the other traffic is moving"

Unless she's in a hybrid that automatically shuts off when stopped and starts right back up when the gas pedal is engaged.

"She will be talking on her bluetooth headset with an organic tee in one hand"

As opposed to a giant Timmy's in one hand and a cell phone in the other?

"She will also be the one in the subcompact spun out trying to get on the road because she didnt want to purchase a set of winter tires because of the environmental impact"

I don't buy that one. Most vehicles I see in the ditch every year are 4x4's and I'd lay money that people with cars buy winters more often than people with trucks and SUV's . . .

"There will be a few bumper stickers, save the trees, save the moose, just say no to Timmies"

So what? Surely these are no more annoying or useless than "Hug a logger and you'll never go back to trees", "Diesel Power" stuck all over the back windows or lift kits installed on vehicles that never see off-road use.

This would be a good program if it actually had some chance of working, but it doesn't. Let's put the effort into things that can actually have a meaningful impact of the improvement of our air. Problem with that is that then the City and Province will have to start annoying themselves or people with lots of money and that takes lots of sustained hard work.

An anti-idling campaign, OTOH, can be planned and rolled out in a short period of time, it's cheap and you can look back to it and say "see look what we did" when it comes time to show how "responsible" you've been. It fits a few important criteria:

1) It's easy
2) It doesn't really anger anyone
3) It doesn't really require any meaningful change

It's nothing more than another "feel good" campaign at a time when the people of PG want a "real" campaign to improve our airshed. What leaders we have!
NMG

you didnt address the scraper in her other hand?

Are you suggesting that she may drive a big 4X4 with a lift kit?
Doubtful. Most people with huge 4x4's and lift kits are stuck in a 15 minute drive thru lineup, while she would have parked, walked in to get her coffee and been on her way in 2-3 minutes, LOL.

As for the scraper, I didn't comment on it because I've only ever seen a need for those when you first clear your windshield in the morning. Wipers and winter windshield cleaner do a pretty good job keeping up after that, both of which could be operated on battery power with the engine not running. Besides, not having to work the scraper would result in less of her energy being used, which would ultimatey reduce her carbon footprint. A win win all the way around :)
nah, I think she is in the lineup for the starbucks on 15th.

Most likely she will be riding her bike to work all winter since she just graduated from UNBC, probably got some student loans to take care of.
So she is a working university graduate that is contributing to our local economy, she is staying healthy by partaking in regular exercise and she is being responsible by paying off her student debts. Sounds to me like we need more of her type in PG :)
as I said before, just young and naive.
Is there not some sort of limit that 250 can put on the number of postings that one person can do on a single story.
I grow a little tired of being forced to read Stompin Tom’s comments, on every subject and on every line.
Enough is enough already. 7 out 17 postings on one story, is this guy the authority on life itself
rmorris,

dont see anybody forcing you, you have the choice, but can you help yourself?
rmorris,

dont see anybody forcing you, you have the choice, but can you help yourself?
What another total waste of money by "Dithering Dan' our environmetally niave mayor.
My God!!! Look at all this idle talk!!!!
Is this fairy thing really targeting drive throughs and red lights/stop signs? Or vacant vehicles w/ the engine running?
shegrins,

you see thats the thing, they have done a very poor job of educating the public. If you read their website they talk about turning off your engine if your going to idle for more than 10 seconds, then they put up a rat out your neighbor website and the spot that gets the most hits is Timmies on Massey Drive.

All common sense tells you they are talking about a parked vehicle, but then people get confused with things like drive-thru's and stop lights, your vehicle is parked. The dogooders seem to think they are talking about them as well, but in my opinion they are not.

A much better job has to be done by this group or their efforts are going to be totally wasted because the general public will not take them serious.
@ Stompin Tom, actually there is a fairly simple way to have people switch off their engine at a red light and restart it without holding up traffic.

Simply have one more light on the cluster, say a blue one which lights when it is sensible to turn off your ignition, and when it is extinquished, then either do not switch off, or re-start as the case may be. I've seen this in practice in Europe for the last 20 odd years.
Drive thrus and stop lights .....

There is a difference between parked and stopped.

If there were not a difference, we could just use stopped all the time.

To Park ... to leave a vehicle in a place temporarily..... no idling for longer than 10 seconds ..... so afer leaving your vehicle parked all day in -25 C weather, you can only idle for 10 seconds before having to drive the vehicle. No more turning on the car, getting out to brush off the snow and then driviing off ....

To Stop ... to halt the motion of a vehicle. If you end up waiting at a light you can still idel the car.
What a great distraction from the real problems. Overspending, lack of leadership, lack of a vision, lack of scruples to deal with the real offenders who are contributing to our lousy air quality.

Poor souls, they really don't know what to do.
Does anyone know the name of the individual working for the City who is responsible for working with the various industry, neighbourhood and other groups in the city to work on solutions?

Whoever that person is, I hear nothing from him or her.

I want that person to communicate with the taxpayers who pay his or her salary of how the City is doing in making significant improvements. We can then evaluate him or her on whether the individual is worth the money we are spending on the position.

For innstance was that the individual who is reponsible for spending the money on this latest gambit?