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Forestry Not Important In BC

By Ben Meisner

Sunday, February 14, 2010 03:45 AM

When a run of the mill resident of BC or Alberta makes a statement on the economy it is more often than not taken with a grain of salt. When on the other hand a Senior economist with the Canada West Foundation, a Calgary based think tank, makes a statement on the economy , we are expected to stand up and take notice. Well only to a point, given the fact that the world’s top economists failed to predict the last collapse of the world economy  and in more general terms failed even to predict what was at the end of their desk.

Jacques Marcil is that Senior Economist I refer to.

In his recent writings in BC Business magazine he said ” It seems that everywhere you look for analysis about BC’s economy, the problems of the forest industry are the focus. Those observers don’t know that BC’s economy has more than two-by-fours going for it.”

To his credit he did get the fact that the forest industry employees 60,000 people but failed to point out that is the single largest employer in the province.

He talked about the province beating the national average in economic growth and job creation from 2002-2007 while the value of the forest –products exports shrank by 14%. He might have mentioned that the reason why we continued to show those gains came as a result of the provincial coffers being overfilled with revenue in the sale of gas rights, here to for, never heard of. When the price of lumber went into the toilet along with the price of natural gas, so did the BC economy.

It is becoming harder and harder to show those people living in the major urban centers of this province, and in this case Alberta , just how important the rural sections of both provinces are.

In BC fully two thirds of our total wealth comes from that section and yet to read this article one could surmise that they play a very insignificant role.

Suggesting that the Olympics will be pivotal in the recovery of the BC economy is sheer poppy cock.

There is no doubt that it brought a needed transfusion to the lower mainland,  but there is a major expense attached with that , and that expense must be paid for by the two thirds of the economic driver I referred to earlier.

The sheer size of the lower mainland enables it to  feed off of itself for sometime avoiding a drop in the economy that is being experienced in the rural sections of BC. There is however a catch up point and the lack of money and the tightening of the belts in Victoria is a direct result of falling resource revenue.

The economic future of BC will come in the form of increased forestry, gas and oil exploration and export and an immerging mining industry and those 2x4’ s will form a major part of that recovery.

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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right on Ben!

and the best part of forestry is that it's local community based; forest workers stay in their communities, support them, and become part of them, unlike the oil patch which imports workers from all over the country (and the world) and sends them home with their paycheques, to be spent back in Saskatchewan, Ontario and Newfoundland.

there are lots of rumours around of mills restarting, pellet mills starting, and jobs being restored. those are a direct boost the economies of the communities where they are located. It may not mean much to city dwellers down south, but it's huge in Ft St James and Mackenzie and Burns Lake and Chetwynd and Terrace....
"The economic future of BC will come in the form of increased forestry, gas and oil exploration and export and an immerging mining industry and those 2x4’ s will form a major part of that recovery"

As they currently operate, I see those industires as being mature at best and in decline at worst. Gas and oil WILL be replaced by alternate forms of greener and more renewable energy and our forestry industry is essentially hanging on for dear life, hoping that it can still remain viable for the next 20-30 years, while the raw inputs regenerate and while hopefully nobody else takes our place as a primary supplier of products.

We need to attract NEW industries to BC (or develop them ourselves) that are in the inception and growth stages. I can certainly see the resource sector contributing to our economy in the future, but I don't see them as being our saviour and I certainly don't see them as having the capacity able to grow the Province's economy 20, 30 or 50 years out.
Alberta has a $5 Billion dollar plus deficit, and BC has a $3 Billion plus deficit... a result not so much of global economic conditions as it is of unbalanced economic priorities driven by 'financial economists' driving a 'financial agenda' and not a 'real economy agenda'.

Most economists are nothing but a fraud perpetrated by text book theories which have ponzi scheme metrics built into them all over. Most have never worked in the real economy not subsidized by bankers and government bureaucracy and have a group think view of the economy that uses as its foundation fraudulent 'futures contracts' and financial based GDP numbers to make the casino bets in what is essential blind guessing when we no longer have markets that reflect the real rules of a market economy now that bankers can manipulate futures contract values and market prices via computer modeling.

There is no honor in the economist profession these days and they are more a part of the problem in their attempts to manage their models than we would have if economists didn't exist at all and we all just lived by the rules of the market. We should fire all the economists and simply make the rules of the economy clear and fair to all including the future generations who are sold out by the economists of today. Then we could have statistics that mean something and policy that reflect the real economy.
Is it about unsustainable growth or a stable sustainable future?
You're talking about the oil sands. A mega project of how not to do something. The people who worked at Leduc oil fields and oil fields in Texas and Oklahoma are still in those areas. The land was not devastated and other industries were set up in most places.

The forestry industry is no different. Just don't see it. Drive east on the CN line and you see all the sawmill town closed. It is still the same today. A sawmill closes and some of the people will move on if there is no work. Bear Lake? Fort St. James? Burns Lake? Vanderhoof? these communities will be next unless something happens to refurbish the industry in such communities.

Once again, I have to remind people, there has been a 40% downfall in the feedstock sitting in the woods. We will never have the rate of cut and the rate of production again that we have had in the last decade for at least 40 years no matter what the market demand.

By the time we are stocked up again, there will be different sources of the material we used to supply who will have made their inroads and we will have an uphill battle to get back in.

In the meantime, we will have to make do with what we have. We have several choices:

1. get more value out of the feedstock we have

2. switch to other industries to supplement the forest industry income.

3. stay here and grow poorer

4. move to other parts of the country that have a more diversified economy.

At the moment the government is continuing to show that it does not give a hoot about the forest industry, or that it is stumped (pun intended) with what to do.

In the meantime those people watching from the sidelines are hanging onto old ways thinking the man form heaven will continue and that others who have weaned themselves off from that are misinformed as to where the REAL wealth sits. In the meantime things are getting worse.

Little do they realize that the real wealth is in people, their interest in improving their lot and resulting readiness to work to accomplish that and their ingenuity to make that happen. Those that have that sense and those senibilities will be the ones to pave the way for the rest of us followers.
Nothing sums up the economist better than a quote from Demosthenes (384-322 BC).

"Nothing is easier than self deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true."
Is there such a thing as absolute truth?

Is not truth whatever you believe?

If there were such a thing as absolute truth, how could we know what it is?

People who believe in absolute truth are dangerous!
praise the lord and pass the ammunition
Absolute truth is most closely spoken in the language of mathematics... most engineers would agree? Even mathematics have limits though in the assumptions assigned to variance variables and that is the great fraud of mathematics through no part of the actual mathematical structure, but rather the human assumptions applied to its equations. Its the human assumptions in the equation, as well as the assumptions of the impacts on its outcome that violate the sanctity of truth in mathematics.

Without mathematics would we really have science that endeavors to find out the real truth is a more appropriate question?

Or can we recognize when a mathematical model will no longer give us a reliable outcome because the inputs can not ever correctly infer future human emotions, characteristics, foreign influences, otherwise fudged (politicized) and irrelevant historical data inputs, micro-economies, motivations, fears, and erroneous conceptions of millions and millions of people?

Truth to you is what you believe, but that is not necessarily my truth or the truth of others unless merely by coincidence or through some other subjective third party. Mathematical truth does not work when the truth of the basics is not congruent.

Truth for anyone should have some basis for ascertaining what is... and is not a truth... and that usually is found in their mode of ethics, and not not subjective unbiased known facts. Which is why motives, and hidden agenda's, and ideology is so important in politics, law, finance, religion, media, and anyone else that makes the claim they are there to help.

Absolute truth wouldn't violate the laws that we can see of nature. We know what it is when it leads to harmony of the laws of nature (ie universalism and human ethics verse tribalism) and not a misrepresentation of anything else it interacts with.

AIMHO

ps One could say if capitalism required truth in the markets to reach its full potential for society, than one could also argue that today we are as far from economic truth as we have ever been in a 100 years. Capitalism in 2010 is a complete fraud, and so is the political class the underwrites it and their assumptions.
The financial truth is if the Earth had to come up with the dough to pay all its debts it really would be flat.

The economists are missing the point, not because they're stupid people or even dishonest, but because the world doesn't run 'financially' on their projections.

It runs on the conventions of double-entry cost accountancy. And in that accountancy, as it is currently carried on, there is no distinction between 'money' itself and things that are 'priced' in 'money'.

There is a difference, however. A very big difference, and one that's growing larger year by year. The overall generation of 'prices' continues to outpace the overall generation of 'incomes' in each successive cycle of modern production.

Since those 'prices' are composed of 'costs', of which the current 'incomes' that will enable them to be met are just one, the present overall financial system is not fully 'self-liquidating', as it should be, as production moves through into consumption.

This creates a very unstable situation given to wide swings between 'boom' and 'bust' in such primary industries as forestry, mining, oil and gas, etc. And ultimately, in all industries providing more 'value-added' goods and services, too.

It is a situation that could be corrected, but not as we've been attempting to do it so far. It is a very wasteful situation, as plants open and close, are built and torn down, and built again. It is a situation, on close examination, far more damaging to the environment than any of the current culprits we have been conditioned to focus upon.