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No Human Remains In NT Hangar Rubble

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Wednesday, April 07, 2010 01:40 PM

The concrete  floor of the NT Air Hangar has been cleared,  as the search for human remains is over.
 
Prince George - Dr. Richard Lazenby,  a forensic  anthropologist at the University of Northern B.C.  says, categorically, there are no human remains  in the rubble of the NT Air Hangar.
 
The debris search concluded on Saturday and Dr. Lazenby says there was evidence the fire was moderately hot, not hot enough, to destroy human remains. He says the way in which the search was conducted, he is confident that had there been any remains they would have found them.
 
Searchers had conducted a grid by grid  sifting of debris, and failed to turn  up  any  human remains.
 
55 year old Vernon Martin has been missing and was presumed to have died in the December 19th fire  which  levelled the Northern Thunderbird Air Hangar.
 
RCMP met with the family this morning, advised them of the information, and the RCMP are now asking for anyone with information on the whereabouts of Vernon Martin to come forward.
 
It was thought Martin was in the NT  Air hangar when it  went up in smoke on December 19th.   His vehicle was parked outside the hangar and remained there after the flames had been extinguished.
 
Prince George Fire and Rescue was  not able to  pin point the cause of the fire which  levelled the hangar, and have  officially  listed the cause as "undetermined."
 
Const Gary Goodwin says this remains a missing person’s file and it is quote, ”baffling”.
 
The family  has asked that the media respect their  privacy  and  is not issuing any comment  at this time.

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could he have set the fire and dissapeared?
He has the disappeared part down pat.

I feel bad for his friends and family; this not knowing where he is must be heartbreaking.
Weird...very weird.
I am sure they did a good job sifting through the ashes,but you do have to wonder?
I know its difficult not to have our opinions, but perhaps this time we could have some respect for the family and keep our thoughts to ourselves. I think that they are suffering enough without any added public speculation. My heart goes out to the Martin family, I hope that one day you may have closer.
Point taken snappi...but it is only natural for people to speculate on what happened to Mr.Martin,particularly with this turn of events.
I am sure no one means any disrespect to the family or to Mr.Martin.
Where's a recent photo of him? I've never seen one of him.

Show us a photo and let's go from there.
Some respect for the family snappi!

Nobody as deceased so far!
I get that Andy, and yes we all have our own thoughts on the possibilities, like you said, especially with this turn of events. While its natural for people to speculate I just think that maybe we could do it on our own and not add insult to injury. No offence, I'm not talking about anyone in particular, I'm just thinking of the families pain.
They found Olivia Newton Johns boyfriend in Baja, Mexico after five years. Here's hoping.
I get that Andy, and yes we all have our own thoughts on the possibilities, like you said, especially with this turn of events. While its natural for people to speculate I just think that maybe we could do it on our own and not add insult to injury. No offence, I'm not talking about anyone in particular, I'm just thinking of the families pain.
Harbinger

I have yet to read any confirmation on your statement regarding Olivia Newton Johns boyfriend being found in Baja.

Searching online doesn't provide any truth to that.
I imagine that there will be a full investigation as to this persons whereabouts and why he may have wanted to disappear or the other scenario of who may have made him disappear. A very compelling story any way that you look at it and it isn't going to be tamped down now that more questions have arisen. Unfortunately for the family this story will have legs and the best that they can do is prepare themselves. I feel for them.
newtechie you need a new search engine. google olivia newton john and use the news featuure, it's all over the wire yesterday and today.
Thanx, Junco. By the way, I'm a high school graduate. 1965
I graduated too Harbinger,1976.
Too young for you, giggle.
me too, 1990.
Junco

Veryyyyyy interesting indeed. I took your advice and yes the news about olivia newton johns boyfriend (Patrick McDermott)is definately all over. Thanks for steering me in the right search direction.

And to Harbinger please accept my apologies. Apparently not all search engines are alike.

The private investigators searching for Patrick McDermott reportedly tracked him down after noticing that a collection of centralized IP addresses were logging onto the Web site that followed his presumed whereabouts.

The addresses led the investigators to the Mexican-Pacific coast near Puerta Vallarta, where McDermott had been living under his birth name.


Maybe we should hire the same private investigators for this case.

Or maybe Opinion250 could look at IP addresses logging into this website in the same way they did in locating Patrick McDermott.

Hmmmm.... kinda makes ya think eh?
God, Sappi, or Snappi or whatever, obviously you're an idiot.
Kind of looks a bit like the old distract and disapear. Possibly the fire was set, the truck deserted, in order to create a cover for the disapearance? Only in PG would it take 4 months to figure out.
Sunshine ... I hink yours is the most obvious explanation at this time. It happens. Many of these things happen to the nicest families and people.

It has been many months. Hard to shut people up for even a few hours. Enough time has passed.

These are the kind of stories from everyday news that get altered a bit and appear on "Law and Order" eventually. So, with the laws of probability, we possbily have one of those stories in our midst. Nothing that unusual about that.
I assume the RCMP have been working on this and have not been waiting for the final assurance that there were no human remains in the burned down building materials.
Hey, Junco. If you were ten years older and I was ten years younger, I'd still be too old fer you. Then again you could be a headache and I could be a pill. As for the missing guy, the game is afoot. In this day and age nobody can really disappear, if you think about it. There is a trail. Ya just have to find the start of it.
Junco. You are a girl, aincha? I'm kinda insecure about these things.(Being from the "old school")
Newtechie says, "Maybe we should hire the same private investigators for this case"

We? You must have worms, cause why would we hire anyone other than those we already pay for this job?

You can relax Harbinger. More giggles and a tee hee.
Odd in my opinion that the family won't issue a statement of some sort. Their family member is missing. The RCMP are asking for assistance from the public. A picture would be helpful.
Of course the public is going to speculate. There is little information being released and an incident like this is concerning.
"There is fairly broad agreement in the fire science community that flashover is reached when the average upper gas temperature in the room exceeds about 600°C. Prior to that point, no generalizations should be made: There will be zones of 900°C flame temperatures, but wide spatial variations will be seen. Of interest, however, is the peak fire temperature normally associated with room fires. The peak value is governed by ventilation and fuel supply characteristics [12] and so such values will form a wide frequency distribution. Of interest is the maximum value which is fairly regularly found. This value turns out to be around 1200°C, although a typical post-flashover room fire will more commonly be 900~1000°C. The time-temperature curve for the standard fire endurance test, ASTM E 119 [13] goes up to 1260°C, but this is reached only in 8 hr. In actual fact, no jurisdiction demands fire endurance periods for over 4 hr, at which point the curve only reaches 1093°C."
http://www.doctorfire.com/flametmp.html

"The box containing the body is placed in the retort and incinerated at a temperature of 760 to 1150 °C (1400 to 2100 °F). During the cremation process, a large part of the body (especially the organs) and other soft tissue is vaporized and oxidized due to the heat, and the gases are discharged through the exhaust system. The entire process usually takes about two hours.

All that remains after cremation are dry bone fragments (mostly calcium phosphates and minor minerals)."
http://hubpages.com/hub/cremation

Perhaps, they should look harder.
sunny or sunshine or whatever ...sounds like you are the authority on distract and disappear...wow! Oh, and to live in a community that you don't sound to like much..hmmm...and you call me an idiot?? hahaha!
Maybe we need a CSI Prince George, Danno.