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Enbridge Update Faces Questions at Council

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Monday, August 23, 2010 08:08 PM

Prince George, B.C. – One side of   T-shirt carried this message  “I’ve got this sinking feeling about Enbridge”. 
There was no mistaking it, the young woman wearing that  t-shirt is not in favour of the proposed twin pipeline between Bruderheim Alberta and Kitimat B.C. and she wanted to silently voice her opposition to the planned pipeline as the company gave Prince George City Council an update on it’s proposal.
Enbridge is entering into the public consultation period of it’s application, at a time when it is facing a great deal of negative media reports about the recent spill of crude in Michigan. 
(photo at right, is split in Michigan pipeline, courtesy U.S. National Transportation Board)
In that case, more than 19,500 barrels  (3.1 million litres) of oil leaked from a pipeline into a creek which feeds the Kalamazoo River in Michigan. In a release issued  earlier today, the company said more than 52 kilometres of absorbent and containment boom have been laid out at 42 points along the river and wildlife response personnel have taken in 516 animals for cleaning ,  with 196 of them ( Canada Geese, frogs and turtles) already released.   
The company also says about 1,500 barrels of oil have been recovered, along with 50,000 barrels of oil-water mix.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the spill.
Meantime, Enbridge is trying to get people in this province on side for their planned twin pipeline.  The Joint Panel Review process has already begun   with one  session held in Whitecourt August 10th, the next will be in Kitimat on the 31st, and then in Prince George on September 8th.
Michele Perret says although people have expressed concern over the width of the Douglas channel, it is far wider than the channel into the port of Vancouver.
Perret reiterated the safety measures, including monitoring 24/7, double hulled tankers, B.C. pilots to bring the ships into port, new, state of the art sonar.
Perret says the economic benefits have already been felt as the company has spent tens of millions of dollars in communities renting equipment , hotel rooms, and  space for their technical work and consultation with local communities. The second phase that would provide benefits says Parret would be the construction phase which would create more than $4 billion dollars in labour costs, with the creation of 35 thousand person years of employment during the 2 ½ years of construction. The benefits   carry on she says when the pipeline is operational as   there is the benefit of taxes.
Councilor Dave Wilbur  says the project  got his attention with the promise of jobs, but the recent spill in the Gulf of Mexico has him very concerned about the risk of shipping oil along the B.C. Coast. Wilbur tried to press Enbridge to say it would take  full responsibility for any oil spill off the coast, but the response was less than satisfactory. Michele Perret indicated Enbridge would take  a share of the responsibility, but  the ship has responsibility too.
The response time to the Michigan spill was a question posed by Councilor Cameron Stolz who   wants to know how a response time can be maximized. Peret says while the response time in the Michigan case has yet to be determined, (all aspects of that spill areunder investigation) the lessons learned from that spill will be applied to Enbridge’s entire system. The rugged terrain and remoteness of the proposed B.C.  line are a concern for both  reporting time for a spill and response.
Councillor Sherri Green said that while the B.P. Gulf spill and the Michigan pipeline leak are tragic, “They may be ultimately to our benefit as you (Enbridge) are under increased scrutiny because of the spills.” She said she would expect the Northern Gateway Pipeline would use best technology available, and Enbridge spokesperson Michele Peret   agreed.
Councilor Brian Skakun is not ready to support  the project, asking if best technology is being used, and if response time is so good, how is it that 3.1 million barrels of crude were able to leak into a creek before the leak was stopped.
As the presentation ended, the other side of the young silent protester’s t-shirt became visible as she moved to leave  the Council Chamber:
" No pipelines,  No Tankers,  No Problems."

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"Wilbur tried to press Enbridge to say it would take full responsibility for any oil spill off the coast, but the response was less than satisfactory."

How about they take full responsibility to guarantee that a spill never occurs??

What difference does it make if they take responsibility once the damage is done.

Does it matter who pays the bills for the clean up in the Gulf or in Michigan??

The main issue in both of those places is that a spill happened, it will be years before they recover, and the oil company executives will still be able to sit on their bank accounts well away from all the mess.
Jobs, yes there will be jobs - during the building of the pipeline but also when BC gets stiffed with the bill of paying for the people to clean up another tragic spill or leak.

dan your right in saying the responsibility means nothing when the damages is done!

Enbridge's solution of taking extra precautions is like saying wearing a condom will prevent pregnancy or STDs! Best intentions but a little too late when it happens....
The thing about this is... one major earthquake and this pipeline would be in a million pieces literally, and the oil would be in every single one of the 1700+ crossings it will transverse... even the best technology in the world and all the good intentions of the world will not be able to clean that up... essentially every single watershed in Northern BC will be compromissed.

Its doesn't just run down one valley... it goes through numerous watersheds effecting essentially every source of water as near to its source (ie summit lake continental water hydrology divide) in the entire north.

One Earthquake like the Alaska 67 one that is at least a one in fifty year event... and we are due for one at almost any time now... guarantees catastrophic results for the entire north. The north coast is on the Pacific rim of fire and is very geologically unstable.

The jobs line is a joke. The $4 billion is for the cost of the entire pipeline as per their own news releases. To say it is a cost for wages only is disingenuous and should raise nine red flags for everything else Mr Parret has to say. The actual pipe and the equipment is not free.

The jobs for residents in Northern BC will be fleeting, and then they will be on to the next community with their experiences out of province workers. The permanent jobs are next to nothing, and the taxes are simply a token bribe money for the bureaucratic class that we all know are making these decisions in the end.

The catastrophe we will all have to live with when it happens... because there is no way even a small leak will be detected and actioned on in time in the dense wilderness of Northern BC when we see they can't even respond in a timely manor in one of the most well resourced and populated areas of politically powerful Michigan.

To take these people for their word (ie they learned from their mistakes and will use newer technology) is a fools game for fools IMO. Long term their is nothing but risk for Northern BC... the pipeline has no economic long term nor national security reason for its existence, and in fact becomes a treasonous liability for all of Canada from an energy advantage perspective in global trade.

AIMHO
Also I heard rumor they are planning on going with a 25% thinner pipe for this pipeline as they say it makes the project viable and doesn't diminish the integrity of the pipe. The Harper government agrees with them and honestly I don't think corrosion will... the pipeline in Michigan was a corrosion issue....

To say they learned from their mistakes and they will use the best technology is an open farce... it really is all about money for those that are naive.
Remember, it is the "best technology for the money".

If you ask for the "best technology" without the limit of affordability everyone will think you are stupid.

Would NASA use the "best technology for the money". How about your neurosurgeon?
According to the presentation, these are the figures

1. construction period just under 4 years

2. 4,100 direct on site jobs in BC (roughly 1,000 per year)

3. 1,400 in Alberta (roughly 350/year)

I assume that they will work in sections at the same time and join up rather than sequential. I also assume that the construction in BC includes the terminal construction in Kitimat which will take a larger group than anywhere along the line.

Notice that they do not come with figures for PG when talking to City Council.

I suspect that if we were to say that at the height of construction, as the pipeline construction sequence flows through PG, there might be 300 workers working out of PG, for about 1.5 years, that would likely be high.

A construction blip .....

If they want to give us a better picture than that, by all means. At the moment, it does not look like they are interested in that. They like everyone developing their own stories from those large numbers.

I wonder why no Councillors asked what the direct job impact would be for the City. Or did they and it was just not reported.
Just to clarify an issue raised in the reporting that needs to be corrected. I had mentioned 3.1 million liters in the Michigan spill not 3.1 million barrels as was reported in the article. The issue of direct jobs was brought up as well. In the presentation I believe that Enbridge mentioned that September 8th will be the opportunity for people in and round Prince George to make public presentations regarding their pipeline proposal.

The overall Enbridge presentation at City Council last night in my mind at least was that the answers regarding the Michigan spill were vague and left more questions that need to be answered before they can expect to get any public support for the new pipeline at all in my opinion.

Brian Skakun
The girls T-shirt said it all!!!
I liked previous arguments that we need the pipe as we are addicted to oil. This addiction leads us to export a declining, necessary asset to China. That makes no sense. We will need the oil in Canada, a cold nation of vast distances requiring energy.
The solution is clear. Reject the pipeline.

I am SummerSoul and this is just SummerSoul's opinion.
neccessity breeds invention........if there is no oil then perhaps we would get on with other technologies, so we don't need the oil. Of course oil companies wouldn't like that. Probably the reason we haven't looked at alternatives until fairly recently. I think we are way behind in new inventions
I think it is not only your opinion, SummerSoul. I suspect many share that opinion. Let the Chinese get the oil from Russia or some other Asian country that has oil to sell.
"we need the pipe as we are addicted to oil"

Change a few key words, and this is the argument for the needle bus. We are indeed addicted to oil. Not through our individual desires, rather from governments that wanted to encourage the use of petrol and now we have suburbs.

Summersoul is bang on in that this dwindling resource is not being conserved and adding a pipeline will accelerate the decline of our stocks when we should be shutting off the tap to the world.
It's a matter of semantics, but "the best available technology" doesn't necessarily mean good technology. It just means the best they have come up with yet.

I'm not overly worried about a major earthquake in the region, however there are constant avalanches in the Telkwa Pass (only one of many remote areas this pipeline would go through). There have been several ruptures in a natural gas pipeline that goes through this pass, caused avalanches, and natural gas is not nearly as damaging to the environment as Enbridge's heavy crude would be.