Let me guess... the kayaks are made out of plastic..

Go back to Vancouver. I am not against people protesting this but it is a northern issue.

Sorry. I took another look at the picture/story. You are still in Vancouver. You plan to make this trip. Talk about "pipedream project". Don't you realize school starts in a couple weeks?

And how will they get their kayaks to Kitamaat village?
Trucks and vans are great for that,...but they do burn fuel!

The following is from the pipedreams website. They don't really care about Kitimat, they are more concerned about Vancouver's harbour.

"While the North Coast of B.C. may seem far removed from the Lower Mainland, many do not realize the same issues are affecting the shores of Vancouver. Small shipments of crude oil from a terminal up Burrard Inlet were exempt from the Voluntary Tanker Exclusion Zone under a grandfather clause. There have been roughly 900 such shipments over the last 30 years, and plans are in the works for significant expansion to capture the expanding Asian market."

I guess this is a good idea if you don't have to go to work.

What we have here is 3 YOUNG people who are trying to bring awareness to our environment. All you people can do is make it look like they are lazy, low life's with no plans to work or go to school. My God what is wrong with those of you who sit on your fat arses at your computer spouting negativity. Would you rather these three be in gangs robbing and killing one another? Geesus people get a freaking grip! Finally the young are doing something to save our environment from corporations who employ temporarily and then destroy our water, land or health in some cases. Support our youth when they are doing something positive and stop spouting your negativity. There is enough of that in this world already!

Way to go you three!

At least now they will know where Kitimat is!

i don't hear of anyone protesting about the massive line thats runs underground to vancouver airport to fuel the planes there.
maybe that would inconvenience too many people that fly all over the place protesting about much needed oil lines.

You said it all Municca. It is their future and they need to speak up. In PG we are giving free bus rides to reduce the use of vehicles that are polluting our environment. And on the other hand we are encouraging the export of fossil fuel produced by a questionable process that produces’s tons of pollution.

We are exporting this product to a forgiven nation to create even more pollution of our environment.. We get a few short term jobs but the profits will leave our country forever.
Cheers

Bunch of welfare recipients not having anything better to do with there time.

I don't want pipelines anywhere anymore either. I just want my gas at my favorite gas station to just magically appear. Oh yes, keep it cheap. Times are tough.

Wonder what their folks do for a living? Maybee in a business that depends on oil? Just a thought. They are wearing some expensive gear. Daddy might be doing the financing so they can go out into the world and find themselves. Keep your nose out of northerners business. Stay in your PLASTIC WORLD. Oh! I'am sorry, plastic is made from oil. Kick my A55 and slap my face. P.S. Hope your plastic boat dosen't leak. Maybee you should pack a patch kit with you. Oh! sorry, thats made from oil too. Guess some days you just can't win.

how many of you missed the point by thinking ur clever/funny by saying they should stop using petroleum products. that attitude is what slows progression down. i always wondered why PG has such problems that are never addressed. perhaps this attitude is a contributing factor.

I checked out their website. Nothing there that would indicate welfare or daddy's money. Do you really think someone on welfare would do this,or even care. I'll be reading their blog. Probably alot more interesting than reading the comments on here.

Best of luck, but itsnt it kind of odd to name your project after the dreams and fantasies caused by smoking opium?

I see the environment fairies are out again. My vote's for the pipeline. Harbinger is right. How do you think we are going to get our fuel? It's either truck or pipe or both.

First ..... Yes, the kayaks are likely made out of plastic. Not only that, but the kayaks are also quite likely to have been manufactured in China where we will be sending the raw material for the plastic so that they can take more jobs away from the other parts of the world where kayaks were manufactured and even from Canada and its indigenous peoples from where the basic kayak design originated.

http://www.frontenac-outfitters.com/kayaks/made-in-china.cfm
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As far as many of the comments on here, they are from the same names who generally post such insensitive comments, so really not unexpected.

These are young people who have a passion for life that goes far beyond the norm.

These are the kind of people I would have thought ALL of us would want to hand this world over to, not necessarily for their stand on this issue, but on their ability and drive to accomplish goals to sustain themselves and the world they live in.

The pipeline is not a northern issue. The pipeline is a small component of a much larger system of energy extraction, transport, product and service production, economic, social and environmental well being.

Unhappy land developers about the route choosing process (in case you think first nations are the only ones)
http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/documents/44510/44510E.pdf

A petroleum company from Texas suggesting that the pipeline will create an oversupply of oil
http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/documents/44583/44583E.pdf

I suppose all those people who are against the line should get lost as well if they are not from the north. I also suppose they are all funded welfare.

http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/05/documents-eng.cfm?evaluation=21799

Do you not see how utterly ad hominem your attacks are?

If that is the best you can do to support the project you are in favour of, then go do your homework so that you can start sounding a bit more credible.

I think that most of the people posting here have absolutely no idea of what this particular pipeline is intended for.

Yes we have thousands of miles of pipelines transporting different commodoties.

And yes, we all use oil. But this pipeline is not for our use.
It has nothing to do with our use of oil, or natural gas, or gasoline.

This pipeline is to carry crude oil from the tarsands (which is the dirtiest oil in the world) to load on tankers in Kitimat to ship to Asia. Even the refining will be done in Asia, and not here.

The benefits will be miniscule. Most of the construction jobs will go to the pipeline companies, using their experienced people from other places.

It takes very few employees to run a pipeline, or turn on a valve to load a tanker.

If they were promising 1000-1500 permanent jobs, then it may be worth thinking over, and may be worth taking the risk for long term economic benefit for the local residents. But that isn't happening.

When our planet is destroyed so that we can no longer grow or catch food, what will our grandchildren eat? Oil?

Gus

I thought you were on vacation.

To say that these individuals are hypocritical to drive or fly from Vancovuer to Kitimat to paddle their plastic boats back down to Vancouver to protest an oil pipeline is not an ad hominem.

The reason that oil is produced is because individual consumers all over the world (including these three) demand the products and services that use oil. Not the other way around.

Insensitive? Me? Nah! I call 'em as I see them.

I hate to rain on these kids parade, but..."These are young people who have a passion for life that goes far beyond the norm". I was like that when I was young too. But I got a job, overpaid wasted tax dollars for 31 years and now have a pension. Right now I'm trying to live within "the norm". But every level of government takes, and takes and takes more and more of my tax dollars and wastes them. Keep these "idealists" names on file and check back in thirty years. They will be whistling a different tune. With a side of cynicism thrown in. Trust me.

Kolberg ....

You likely know as well as I do that we still have plenty of oil that is "conventional" and does not have to be extracted from tar sands and shale. Doing the latter with today's technology is a total waste of energy based on the efficiency. I do not even have to talk about the environmental impact. All I need to talk about is efficiency and waste. 2 Barrels in and 3 barrels out, unless that equation has changed considerably in the last 5 years. That is a total waste. In my mind it should be conserved till a more efficient method is found. If it were 1 barrel in and 3 out, we would have twice as much recovered oil as we have now. I think that math is pretty simple to understand.

The scarring of the earth does not bother me that much. For instance the brown coal extraction is still going on in the area I was born in. They move entire old villages, rebuild them, move the people to the new location, mine, and reconstitute the land for agricultural and recreational use.

The problem I have is that I have not seen such examples in North America. Not to say that they do not exist.

All we are the slaves to is Alberta and the Feds. It is totally short term thinking. It is, in fact, taking resources away from those young people who are not paddling both ways who can use them when they are in their 50s.

Yes, we are the "ME" generation as you can see. The throw away society.

This is not about using or not using oil. It is for using oil in a smart way.

And, Kolberg, if you do not understand that, then I have mistakenly taken you for a smarter person than that.

"I hate to rain on these kids parade"

I realize it is a figure of speech, Harbinger, but I have the feeling you actually do not hate to do that, otherwise you wouldn't do it.

People need support, especially young people. Those young folks do not have to do this. If they have money from the family they could just rod around in their Beamers and go kayaking, mountain biking, rockclimbing, whatever.

They are outdoors people and a couple have chosen their jobs, volunteer work (yes, volunteer work at that age) and their future careers based on that love for the outdoors.

Let's face it, they are from Vancouver and they have wonderful opportunities to "play" in some of the most picturesque and breathtaking outdoor playground in the world just outside their urban doors.

...... and ..... they do not want the black guck from an Exxon Valdez or the out of control flow of am offshore BP oilwell to spoil it just so that Albertans can keep on having the rest of us fools pay for their excesses.

Well said my2bits... I was hoping someone would notice that.

This isn't about our use of oil and a take it or leave it for our local consumption. This is about oil for an economic competitor that has a political mafia running their country trying to undermine our society... and about our Northern BC subsidizing this oil with the risk to our environment for a half dozen permanent jobs.

This has nothing to do with our personal consumption. I used 229 liters of fuel today and likely the same tomorrow and I won't apologize for that, or think that I have to support this pipeline for the risk of being a hypocrite. This pipeline is wrong on many levels whether you use domestic oil, support subsidizing an economic competitor, or anything in between.

Hey gus. I guess yer right. I do like to rain on a lot of parades. It's my nature. I get it from watching the universe unfold (as it should) around the world. Bear with me

my2bits is right when he/she says that that pipeline isn't for our advantage. Just the oil company's, Ottawa and the Chinese will benefit. Cheaper oil fer us? I think not. To me that's a bummer.