Pine beetle and the global recession.

Global recession reduced the cash flow to the government, and business. Thus less trees are planted and mother nature decides what trees should grow where.

Maybe we should take a look at what mother nature thinks on what trees should grow where, instead of mankind planting pine everywhere.

and one look out of the window of any vehicle going down the road says our forests are in need of a lot of help...a big forest fire would sure help ...unfortunately those nature lovers who have built their mansions in the forests would not be in mpressed with that .
but until we can get rid of all the beetle kill and all the dead under bursh our forestw ill be in trouble...
of course having Bell shooting off his face just make it worse in my opinion... wish he woudl go back to selling hambergers ana leave the hard stuff to those more capbable...

and no...I have no use for Mr Bell, never have and never will....

The best way to manage a forest... Leave the damn thing alone.. It did fine last 10,000 years after the last glacial retreat. The only reason we are "managing" (trying to manage..) forests is to maxmize the $$ vaule out of them. In the end the market will dictate forest management decisions.

Is there any field you guys aren't experts at?

BCRacer wrote: "leave the hard stuff to those more capbable..."

Since when does the Minister responsible for forests go into the woods and use aerial photos to do surveys, compile information, write prescriptions, come up with allowable cuts, assess whether licensees are complying with their licenses, write reports such as the one under discussion here, etc.?

One must be a bit naive to think that the Minister has much to do with that or even say about that. Recommendations on direction are made by staff and the Minister will might make some directional change based on a discussion of options presented.

So, when I say that I would like to see some more visible change in what we are doing post pine beetle to reduce the time and level of the predicted downturn of the AAC, I am addressing primarily the "experts" working for the Ministry and whether in house or their consultants as well as the Minister for making sure that staff is working on that.

So far, what I am seeing is not very comforting.
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70 million user days?

Wonder how that is defined.

When those in Vancouver hike on the North Shore Mountains, I assume that is considered as "forest". The same when we go skiing at Purden.

Most of those user days would likely be in the lower mainland and southern Vancouver Island.

Based on a population of about 4.5 million, and not accounting for out of province visitors, that means that on an average day 4 out of 100 people will be in the forests.

70 million sounds like a lot. 4% of the population, especially one that is supplemented by visitors does not sound like all that many, depending on how "forests" are defined.

Stanley Park - forest or not? :-)

faxman - "Is there any field you guys aren't experts at"

For me that would be automotive mechanics...

As far as northman's statement goes ... I agree with him 100% .....

Mankind is not exactly growing pine everywhere.

Mankind is planting the types of trees that were there when they were harvested. In fact, the seeds are taken from that area or that geoclimatic zone, catalogued, stored, provided to a nursery and deliverd back to the proper area to be planted.

Problem is, there is a downfall in planting over the past 3 or so years because the trees were killed by a natural process and were nto harvested. So, people are still scratching their heads wondering what now. For me, it is taking a bloody long time to figure out what should be rather simple. Too many people have their finger in the pie.

politicans ,experts blah blah blah it always boils down to money just money!!these days they would sell thier families for money,it just seems its all going to hell in a hurry !! hang on cause we are in trouble

faxman: Not an expert on women.
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Only in recent years, has the forestry gotten away from planting mostly pine. It is the right direction. Getting away from the Super trees, which can be harvested in 50 years.

We all want to crap on Pat Bell, the truth of the matter is, if it was not for Pat Bell, do you think we would have been able to open up the market into China. Nobody else could, it was only when Pat took on the position that it started to happen.

We need to seperate our economy from the United States when ever we can. We need to stick a tap in kitimat for our oil to flow to the rest of the world..... it is likely the ugly americans that are fueling the bleeding hearts not to put in the oil lines

"Is there any field you guys aren't experts at?"

Im not an expert at any one thing in piticular but im smart enough to ask questions when our so called "experts" try to weigh in on their opinions when its obvious that they are making mistakes.

faxman - hahahaha, too true!

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