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Research and Polls Results on HST Released

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Monday, December 13, 2010 01:44 PM

Vancouver, B.C.- The Provincial Government of B.C.'s "HST" office has released  data from  some polling andd focus group work aimed at  helping to shape  the office's future activities.

"The HST Information Office was established to provide information and help facilitate a fact-based dialogue with British Columbians in order to have an informed vote," said John Les, parliamentary secretary for the HST. "This research provides an important basis upon which we can learn from past mistakes and develop a plan that helps further the goal of having a well informed electorate in advance of voting on the HST."

"While the implementation of the HST was problematic and has led to confusion and anger among many British Columbians, there is a strong understanding that this is an important decision," said Les. "This research shows that British Columbians, while still very concerned about the introduction of the HST and its impacts, desire more factual information prior to voting."

Opinion polling was conducted by Harris/Decima, one of Canada's most established names in public opinion and market research with over 25 years of experience in the field. Focus group testing was conducted by Innovative Research, a Canadian leader in public opinion research and focus group testing.

Polling Results:

Between Nov. 16-23, 2010, 887 British Columbians were surveyed. Polling results are accurate within 3.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

* 67 per cent support the decision to hold a referendum on the Harmonized Sales Tax.

* 45 per cent believe that a return to the PST/GST would have a negative impact on the Province's budget, versus 22 per cent who believe it would have a positive impact.

* 63 per cent are not satisfied with the information provided about the HST, and 72 per cent have not personally received any information.

* 47 per cent do not believe they currently have enough information to make an informed choice about the HST.

* 55 per cent believe the HST will hurt the economy, versus 31 per cent who believe it will improve the economy.

* 86 per cent believe that, regardless of the referendum's outcome, this is a big issue that will have a major impact on B.C.'s future.

* 57 per cent of respondents, at the end of the survey, would like more information prior to deciding how to vote in the referendum.

Perception Questions* Respondents believed there are currently more reasons to oppose the HST than reasons to support it.

* There is misunderstanding of the impact of HST at the consumer level with some respondents believing the HST has increased the cost of goods and services that have seen no tax increase.

* There is confusion about the impact of the HST at the economic-sector  level. Many respondents believed that most sectors of the economy will be worse off under the HST-including those sectors actually benefiting substantively from it.

* British Columbians are very open to receiving factual information through a wide variety of media (web, print, in-person dialogue etc).

Focus Group Summary
* The HST referendum does not appear to be a settled issue. While more than half of the participants were initially opposed to the HST, a significant number reconsidered their opposition once they began to weigh the consequences of eliminating the HST.

* Most participants want more information. The information needs to begin by addressing core questions like what led to the government to reconsider the HST and what benefits the government sees in it. The material should then explain how HST works and include the negative impacts as well as what is being done to mitigate those impacts.

* Tell don't sell. Participants did not want to be sold on the HST, but they do want to be informed. It is critical that negative impacts be explicitly acknowledged and explained. People see prices have gone up on some things and feel that this has affected them personally.

* As the debate proceeds, people may be interested in finding a compromise. Participants are concerned that if the HST goes, we may end up with a new tax, a bigger debt or fewer services. Once the respondents began discussing the consequences of voting against the HST, many participants started to look for compromises. There was no immediate consensus on what the compromise should be.


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Regardless of these "polls", which nobody really puts much faith in anyway,I keep my receipts,all of them,and I know I am paying more.
I also pay HST on things that I did not pay both taxes on before it was pounded down our throats without any input.
The arrogant Campbell crew simply said..."here...the HST is good for you...here it is...and NO,you don't get a say in it"!
Which is exactly why they are where they are today,and Gordon Campbell will soon be a very bad memory.
Do they have a poll for that too?
Step one should be mail everyone a full information package with all the data,stats supposed benefits etc. I myself was apposed to the backdoor way it was brought in, not necessarily the tax itself but I need more information to make a judgment from.
Oh, and by the way...we will also notice this poll was commissioned and released by the HST Information office under the astute leadership of the dubious John Les, who was resurrected by Gordon Campbell.
The Campbell government established this office.
Considering the Liberals want the HST so bad they are willing to lie and die for it,just how unbiased do we think it will be?
Whether this poll is unbiased or not isn't the point...we only have to consider the source to be sceptical.
"63 per cent are not satisfied with the information provided about the HST"

What does "not stisfied" mean? They do not like the reults of what they see, or they do not think they have had enough information on which to make a decision?

"72 per cent have not personally received any information."

"personally" means what? In the mail. An official with knowledge speaking to them and responding to questions?
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"Tell don't sell. Participants did not want to be sold on the HST, but they do want to be informed"

BINGO!!!!!! The more they try to be snake oil salesmen the more suspicious I get.
For me to take on big buisnesses share of taxes for years does not make sense. I am taxed to the hilt, my meagre income is already stripped away by heigh taxes. Big buisness doesn't give a hoot for the working people-- they laid off employees in great numbers and they want a tax break--I just cannot believe it.
If you gotta keep selling it, it is not sold.
As Andyfreeze indicated, consumers now have less discretionary funds thanks to offloading from corporations to the taxpayers directly. For what, so "we" can be more competitive globally.

That still does not overcome the fixed cost of union labour. Well, maybe I should just make that Canadian wages, because after the unions have got their deal, other companies in that sector raise their wages in an effort to retain their employees.

How to kill THE major industries in this province
1. ban smoking, anywhere in public
2. impose more stringent drinking and driving laws that cost a lot more if charged. Not convicted, just accused without court or legal representation.
3. Shift an unpopular tax onto the people where it was paid by profitable corporations before
4. do nothing about expanding mass transit so it is actually usable
Step one should be mail everyone a full information package with all the data,stats supposed benefits etc. I myself was apposed to the backdoor way it was brought in, not necessarily the tax itself but I need more information to make a judgment from.
Step one should be mail everyone a full information package with all the data,stats supposed benefits etc. I myself was apposed to the backdoor way it was brought in, not necessarily the tax itself but I need more information to make a judgment from.
I am opposed to the HST for several reasons. On balance, it is a regressive tax based on the information provided by those in favour of it.

That being said, this appears to be the first time that we may actually get to vote on a tax issue provincially. Politicians may talk about tax at election time, but that is not exactly the same as voting very specifically on whether a tax should be levied or not.

Are we wanting to go down that road? It has not prevented places in the USA from ending up in a financial crises much worse than us.
Ah boo hoo hoo hoo.

You seriously think it is going to get turned down. Do you want to pay more taxes. Do you think the Feds are gonna forget about the 1.6 billion dollars they bonused the province. Are you willing to pay an extra 400 dollars to pay them back, yes a family of four will need to cough up $1600 to cover their portion.

Do you seriously think that the PSt is going to revert back to 7%. No it will be 9% plus the 5% GST.

The HST is a consumer tax. If you don't want to go out to the restaurant you save the HST. If you want to still go out, your just paying a little bit more, and the waitress gets the abuse and better tips.







I'd like to hear IN DETAIL what will be implemented for a taxing structure if the HST gets thrown out in addition to all of the other costs that will have to be borne to re-implement it. Those are very legitimate issues that need to be hammered out before people decide which way to go.

The two biggest things I dislike about the HST is the incrrease in tax for new homes (it can add up to ALLOT of money) and the shifting in tax from BIG corporations to consumers/individuals. There is no doubt that the tax is better for businesses, however, we seem to be on a path whereby if it's good for business, to hell with everyone else. IMHO, there needs to be some level of balance brought back into our tax policy and should we ever get a middle of the road political party in BC, they can probably accomplish that without getting rid of the framework that is HST.
Why not just ask the question, are you in favor of the HSt and forget all the other BS. We are not going to pay them back the full 1.6 billion since it has not all been received by the province and let's not forget come July we will have been gouged for an extra 5% on a whole pile of items the GST did not apply to previously.
Campbell and his cronies just don't get it.
"Why not just ask the question, are you in favor of the HST and forget all the other BS"

Because it's a pointless question and it provides no basis for a future decision on the matter. Before people can determine if they are in favour of the HST, they need to know what the alternative is. People's willingness to accept or reject the HST will be radically different, all pending on what would happen if it were abolished.

One thing people don't seem to be mentioning is what about all of the people who used to work for PST that are no longer employed or will be employed by the Province? What's it going to cost to hire all of those people back, employ them on annual basis, fund the buildings they work in, etc?

Again, not saying I'm in support of the HST, but it's not exactly a simple yes and no question. If it were a case of going back to the exact same system of PST we had before, that's one thing. Of course, I haven't heard any politician suggest that's what would occur . . .
Campbell and his cohorts are trying scare tactics to get people tom accept the HST. If you vote the tax down the sky is going to fall and things will be way worse than if we had kept the HST. The liberals lied about BC Rail, the budget, olympic cost over runs, and the HST not being on the radar. Given the past record of liberal lies how can anyone believe what comes out of their mouths. Won't matter much who leads the liberal party, all the candidates are tarred with the same brush.
I'm thinking it would be a good idea to keep it now that we have it. I stated this view before it came into being; that it would be financially impossible to go back.
Christy Clark up to her eyeballs with BC Rail....Breaking news!!!


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I never heard so much drivel in my life.

You people who think that this tax cant be reversed to what is was in July of 2010 are a bunch of defeatists or you are are Liberal supporters.

1. Those people who worked for the Government to collect the PST were (for the most part)transferred to the Federal Government, and can be transferred back.

2. The Liberals have not yet received all the money from the Federal Government. I beleive that they have only received $500 Million to date.

3. This tax is a shift from Business and Corporations to consumers. There is nothing in this tax that is good for the taxpayers of BC, and if implemented will be the beginning of huge increases over time. Eventually we will be paying 10-23% like most Europlean Countries.

4. Anyone who has any sympathy for Big Business and Corporations needs serious counselling. The Corporations are border line robber barons, and will take you for every cent that they can get.

5. Any business or Corporation that doesnt like the present way we do business in BC can pack their bags, and get the hell out. There is no logical reason why taxpayers should pay taxes for Corporations so that they can make huge profits, and dividends.

6. The Liberals (Gordon Campbell) tried to sell us out to the Corporations, and got caught. They assumed that we would be stupid enough to let this rotten tax go through. They were somewhat right because there are still many people who support this tax, even though all indications are, it was nothing more than a huge scam.

7. Most of the comments that I have read on these posts since July indicate to me that a lot of people do not have a good understanding as to what the Liberals actually tried to pull off.

8. Its time to wake up and smell the roses. If we dont get rid of this tax, and kick this Government the hell out of office, then we may as well send our pay cheques to Victoria.

The fight HST group has at this point in time won the battle against this tax, however the battle is not over. Lets not try to impress each other with our intelligence and wit, and keep our eye on the ball. The number one priority is to get rid of this tax.

9. It was the Liberal idiots that got us into the mess, and now they want us to solve the huge problem they created. They better get rid of this tax NOW, and solve the problems themselves. At least then they would have a little credibility going into the next election.

10. Quit fooling yourselves. This tax will cost you anywhere from $600.00 to $2000.00 per year depending on your expenditures.

Anyone who thinks this tax will have little effect on consumers has done little or no investigation into the ramifications of this tax.

The BC Government has more money than you can possibly imagine. Dont kid yourself into thinking that they dont. There is one thing that we have learned about the Liberals over all else, and that is that they will lie to you on a consistant basis, over a long period of time.

Only a fool or an idiot would vote for a tax increase.


Have a nice day.




You won't think it's such a good idea when it goes up, and up , and up, Supertech.

Just as similar 'Consumption' taxes have in virtually every other country that's moved to this form of taxation.

And they're all further in debt now than they were before it was implemented. And raised, and raised again, and again, and again. Which is exactly as it was intended they would be.

If we're wise we'll kill it now, when we have the chance. Don't fall for the line that this government is now going to "inform" us better on it. And alternatives will be worse.

They'll only be that if we're dumb enough to let them be. They tell us that government is, "..just like any other business", i.e. it has to balance its books. Fine. We'll take them at their word.

But when we do that lets also insist that, if what they're telling us is so, then the government start keeping its books just "..like any other business."

With a proper Balance Sheet, showing not only the Liabilities they call the Provincial Debt, but also the ASSETS and CAPITAL (Citizen's Equity) as well.

Now that might be quite revealing. Do you know of "..any other business" that fully recovers the Capital costs of Assets lasting 5, 10, 15, or 20 years, or longer, in the SAME year those Assets were acquired?

It might be a businessman's fondest dream come true if he could do just that, but he can't, it doesn't happen. He recovers the cost of those Assets as they depreciate. They are EXPENSED over their expected lifespan, and an allocation is made for that, and charged into the price of his product yearly over that period.

Does the government do THAT? To the full extent that it should? I don't hardly think so.

It does the same as what would happen if a business tried to recover the full costs of all its Asset acquisitions in the same year they were bought ~ it's prices would be 5, 10, 15 or 20 times higher than they should be. And we wouldn't pay them. Yet we get snowed into doing exactly that with taxes we do pay. Enough is enough ~ kill this damn tax now, and don't fall for the doom and gloom predicted to befall us if we do. We're going to get that regardless,
til we get proper accounting in government.
Regardless of all the government spin,I will still vote against the HST.
Aside from how it was brought in,which was just plain dictatorial and wrong,we need to know WHY they want it so badly that they risked everything to get done,even political oblivion.
Why?
What are they hiding.
And we can bet the Campbell government IS hiding something.
Where are the true numbers for the 2010 Olympics and our actual debt load in B.C.?
So far all we have had is excuses and spin.
There is no question...this government IS hiding something.