oh how I long for the good ole days.

when men were men, and sheep were scared.

Glen Williams do you use electricity?

Yep, I am sure he uses electricity, however it is off a clanky old diesel unit

This is bulls4it. The time has come for all of our spinless polititions to stand up to this small minority. Their very existance depends solely on taxpayer handouts,yet they do everything in their power to destroy our economic structure. This project is the biggest positive thing to happen in the northwest ever. The Natives should not bite the hand that feeds them. If 90% of the Natives still depend on the resources from the land,then maybee we should quit throwing massive ammounts of money their way. Live your old traditional ways and quit using trains, planes, automobiles, telephones and electric lights? The sooner the Natives start being productive instead of distructive, the better we will all be.

I think we need to send out a bunch of rednecks out their for negotiations. I will send in a pallet of beer and whiskey, Just like the good ole days.

One question,

How many people, and how much money do they need?

I don't know how many hereditary chiefs there are, but I'll bet none of them know what it costs to light up their houses.

I heard that John Wayne is fixin to come to town. Who want's to ride with him?

Wait til the power goes out........ If we don't pay our bills, than what happens.

Hey didn't the windstorm take out the power last fall in that region. You should have heard the whinning then.

1920's, they want to live like their forefathers. Well, that can be accomplished, no problems at all.

Don't tar and feather all First Nations because of one man's stand. He does not speak for all of Gitanyow, we want to work too! and again racism roars its ugly head, with comments like that its like we live in the times of our ancestors who were hard working men.

Don't tar and feather all First Nations because of one man's stand. He does not speak for all of Gitanyow, we want to work too! and again racism roars its ugly head, with comments like that its like we live in the times of our ancestors who were hard working men.

Don't tar and feather all First Nations because of one man's stand. He does not speak for all of Gitanyow, we want to work too! and again racism roars its ugly head, with comments like that its like we live in the times of our ancestors who were hard working men.

What a bunch of racists we have here! The Gitanyow merely want to protect the land that provides their living, where they have lived for centuries. They have explicitly said that they don't oppose the power line per se - they just want to make sure that if it is built it is done in such a way as not to interfere. What would you think if someone proposed a project that would destroy your farm or workshop? And some of you even propose to form a drunken mob and overcome resistance by violence! What savages! And I don't mean the Indians.

Back off, were canadians, were all talk.

How short our memories, and how bigoted some posters on here and living in this communty are.

We deserve the reputation we have in the southern part of this province. It is a total uphill battle for the rest of us.

Take you blinders off, people!!!

"Homes near Tsawwassen power lines for sale"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/09/13/bc-tsawwassen-power-lines-homes-sale.html

theydontspeakforus...Sorry for your speech impepepediment, but the article refers to all the Gitanyow Hereditary chiefs. Perhaps it's time for you to elect someone who speeks for all of the people. We, who work and pay taxes, have every right to critisize those who do not support the system, black or white. This is not racism, this is reality.

I used to do most of my hunting near a powerline at one time.
The deer loved it,because of the grass and brush.
Same with logging blocks...the game takes off during the logging, and in a year,it's all back and loving it.
90 percent of the people depend on resources from the land?
Just because 90 percent of the people hunt and fish at times,that doesn't mean they are depending on the land for all of their food and resources.
Maybe 90 percent depend on the land for SOME of their resources,but not all.
That's an outright exaggeration.
All lot of people throughout the interior hunt,pick berries,fish,etc.and depend on wild game for their winters meat supply.
Nobody want's your land or to destroy your way of life.
Be fair...I am sure you have hydro in your homes and a lot of other modern convieniences.
They came with a price.
This project will create jobs,and jobs are good for all of us.
Or is it just about money?
This is about what is good for everyone,not just first nations.

"Williams wants to make it clear that the Gitanyow are not opposed the Northwest Transmission Line, but they want to make sure that their interests, including food source requirements, are taken care of."

"Homeowners had protested and fought the controversial power lines for years, citing evidence they cause cancer and demanding that the province bury them underground."

Gee, to think that people actually give a shit about themselves, their livelihood, their health, the sustainability of their wealth.

The government and large corporations certainly does not give a shit.

Wake up "billposer". They are blackmailing Hydro and the Government. Pure and simple..... "Pay the dough and we will let you go."

Andyfreeze ... what you do not understand is that they are not you and you are not them. They have a right and a duty to speak for themselves.

It is the most basic human right.

Why is negotiationg a price for something that you have and others want blackmailing? It is called "let's make a deal". Free enterprise. Who taught the First Nations that?

For those who ski, Powder King has a high tension hydro line running through it. In my eyes, that area will never be a major ski resort for several reasons. The fact that the line runs through it is one of them. Who on earth wants to come to Powder King to ski from far away to have that kind of blight on an otherwise picturesque landscape?

Here we thought they had gone and buried that old dead horse (taxation) for your information only a very small percentage of first nations that live on reserve don't pay taxes, there are thousands of hard working first nations that pay the same taxes you do. But I digress many first nations are looking forward to working on the NTL to provide for their families same as you.

Giterdun, you are the definition of a racist, you need to educate yourself, it saddens and terrifies me that you are out in the world spreading your idiocy.

Giterdun, you are the definition of a racist, you need to educate yourself, it saddens and terrifies me that you are out in the world spreading your idiocy.

Giterdun, you are the definition of a racist, you need to educate yourself, it saddens and terrifies me that you are out in the world spreading your idiocy.

aFIRSTnation...I am not a racist, I am a realist. If you don't make an effort to work and support yourself, then you should go hungry. I know lots of First Nations people that support the system and work hard. Great people! I have lots of respect for them. People of ANY RACE who do not try to help themselves deserve no respect. If that's racism then so be it.

"Wake up "billposer". They are blackmailing Hydro and the Government. Pure and simple..... "Pay the dough and we will let you go."

Well said giterdun. Anything is for sale for the right price ;-)

if you don't think you're racist you are clearly ignorant about many things. I love how quickly you back-tracked your racist rhetoric so fast.

Interesting that everyone is avoiding the Tsawwassen power lines analogy. Can't put a reasonable argument on the merits of the situation together, obviously.

The First Nations have great teachers. All those from the Second Nations.

We are their teachers. We are getting back our own medicine as dished out by our ancestors and continues to this day in more subtle ways.

Giterdun: "We, who work and pay taxes, have every right to critisize those who do not support the system"

So you critisize those who do not support the system. Interesting. That includes a lot of people who are unable to do so, no matter how hard they try.

aFIRSTnation...How come when I critisize you, I'm a racist. When you critisize me, It's A-OK. Kind of lop sided in my books.

I don't agree with Glen Williams at all. I really don't agree how readily some were putting all First Nations people in the same boat, spewing racist ignorant remarks about alll First Nations people. We are not lazy people looking for a hand out and are not blackmailers.

I am not calling your race lazy people waiting for their handout am I?

Nobody said that you were all lazy, but if the shoe fits...wear it.

gus... The key word in your comment is,TRY. If people at least try, then they have my full support even if they fail. If they don't try, then why should the rest of us support them?

Hey Giterdun-you want a transmission line in your backyard? I thought not. Maybe BC Hydro might have to move the towers-where is the harm in that? Instead of using this as a pretext for attacking native communities, try developing a little more empathy for your fellow man. You might like the human being you become a lot more.

I think this is hilawious. Years ago a major corporation would have given anyone opposing them the bum's rush out the door, and wouldn't have thought twice about it. And here we have a band that's bringing them to their knees.Good. This line will go through, but the senior corporate hosers will come out a little red faced. Looks good on them.

Giterdun ..... TRY means what? hard physical labour? Being smart, understanding the dynamics, seeing the advantage, and taking the advantage for gain.

The latter sounds very business-like to me. The former sounds like a slave to the system with more brawn than brain.

Oh, I am sooooooo tired of all of this. I am not anti-native, or racist or whatever but enough is enough. Every time someone tries to do something to better our north west economy (which is needed!) we are forced to try and satisfy 17 different conflicting groups, whose territory often overlaps. Is it any wonder we are suffering? Projects like this will employ locals, including first nations, and lead to other projects.
And seriously......I would like some sort of proof of claim. How many first nations actually go out and hunt and gather on these traditional territorys? I see many in Save-On-Foods......

If the First Nations do not get part of the benefit, they would be outsmarted once again. Admire them for their new found tenacity rather than putting them down.

I know, we always have to have someone we need to be superior to. So it it is not the First Nations, who would it be, eh?

Your welfare check each month is your compensation!

Okay lets take out the existing line to Stewart and hwy 37, it is an eyesore in that prestine wilderness. That highway most likely kills a lot of food.

The power line is being put in for the mines that will be (or are) located in the area. ie; Red Chris Copper, and some others. A few years ago Red Chris was going to put up $400 Million for their share of this line. When the prices of copper, etc; dropped, (world recession) they backed away.

We now have a situation where the BC Government(BC Hydro) is going to foot the bill for the majority of the cost of this line. Have we forgotten (or did we never know) that BC Hydro created (BCTC) as a spin off entity to manage transmission lines in BC, and 6 years later shut it down, and folded it back into Hydro. This cost taxpayers approx $60 Million dollars.

So we are already looking at $460 Million down the drain, and we havent even considered where the power for this line is going to come from. Could it be surplus power from Rio Tinto (Alcans) new smelter when its built.?? Once this smelter is built there will be a surplus of power, and they will get rid of 400 permanent jobs in Kitimat. You can rest assured that the power sold to BC Hydro from Alcan will have a hefty price tag.

So what do we have here. Huge cost for transmission line, huge loss through Hydro Mis-Management, huge cost for surplus power from Alcan, along with loss of 400 permanent jobs.

So the project is going to cost us billions over the next few years, and big business, Hydro, Alcan, and the BC Government will make lots of money.

We the taxpayers will have to pay for it all, and get dick all in return. If we have to pay some money to the Natives for the **right of way** through their territory, or for some other programs, what the hell is wrong with that.

Seems you dont have any problem giving money to big business and big Government.

now,now,now. they were here first.

Palopu any surplus power Alcan generated has always been sold to Hydro or on the open market. BCTC was a big wast of money. As for who will pay for the line it will be the users and there are sources of generation that can be developed when the line is in. Even Alaska is interested.

"The First Nation says it stands to lose up to 550 hectares of land and future generations will face devastating consequences as a result of impacts on wildlife, plants, and village sites."

Powerlines are installed on very high towers, many meters above the ground. The footprint of each tower is quite small. The ground below the powerline is usually kept clear of trees. But wildlife can cross freely, people can cross freely underneath...

Of course one would not build a village right underneath a powerline and a new powerline would not be constructed right through an existing village.

Impact on wildlife?
Impact on plants?
Impact on village sites?
Loss of land?
Devastating consequences?

What are those impacts and devastating consequences?

No Severance...I feel sorry for you...I feel sorry for the people around you, all of you who feel you're better then First Nations...the sad thing is that you haven't noticed that the First Nation's people who have posted their opinions and tried to englighten your cave man attitude did it with grace and never stooped to calling you all the names that you deserve. You know why? Because we have grace and class that we were taught by our ancestors who were here, by the way FIRST!

This is not a secluded situation, they have said not there... so let the next community go through the process ... understand the risks ... determine the damages to the water and animals, my guess is you will have the same struggle ... If Hazelton, Smithers, or Telkwa were challenged to have a community forum ..it would not be a YIPPEE! If the Ministry of Transportation wanted to build a highway through your backyard ... you would let them because you want a job? I don't think so ... poverty can hit anyone at any time ... take a look around ...

Electricity is an inseparable part of our modern day society. This means that EMFs will continue to be all around us. But as Discover Magazine postulated, aside from making our life easier, is electricity also making our lives shorter?

Most experts agree that limited, non-chronic exposure to EMFs is not a threat. For example, it is probably acceptable for a person to be near a toaster in the morning.

BUT, it is not advisable for a person to sleep under an electric blanket, up close, live near a powerline/substation, and sleep in a room where the power enters the home. This person is under an extreme case of chronic exposure. This condition, unfortunately, applies to millions

I am not an expert ... but think there is no harm putting it where the people want it .. geezus ... no one watched Erin Brockovich! just sayin ... keep the racism, poverty, who pays the bills out ... its not worth it ... one day you will live in poverty... feel pain and suffering and hope for the best for others ... no matter what communities decide to do ... It would be better if they put it through the ocean floor ... around Vancouver up through Kitimaat past Stewart ... anything goes wrong .. It's only water :) no?

I am not an expert ... but think there is no harm putting it where the people want it .. geezus ... no one watched Erin Brockovich! just sayin ... keep the racism, poverty, who pays the bills out ... its not worth it ... one day you will live in poverty... feel pain and suffering and hope for the best for others ... no matter what communities decide to do ... It would be better if they put it through the ocean floor ... around Vancouver up through Kitimaat past Stewart ... anything goes wrong .. It's only water :) no?

I just wish they would get there shit together so I can get a job out there and get the hell away from Prince George.

I asked on April 13 2011 11:42 AM:"What are those impacts and devastating consequences?"

Guess what?

I am still waiting!

The EMF field is a non-issue except within a few meters of the powerline itself.

The deafening sound of silence indicates that aside from a few very minor impacts from the construction there will be zero devastating consequences. The whining is purely motivated by other considerations.

Great!