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Mayor and Council Ask CN for Answers

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Tuesday, August 14, 2007 04:01 AM

Prince George Mayor, Colin Kinsley, has sent a letter to CN’s Senior Vice President, Western Region, asking for some assurances that the CN crash and derailment of August 4th won’t be repeated.  "I have been speaking at length  to  them on the phone" says the Mayor.  "We want them to tell us they are taking every possible precaution to make certain our city is safe,  our  people are safe, our water supply is safe."

In the letter to Jim Vena, the Mayor wrote “It is important to acknowledge the response to the derailment was timely and we were most fortunate that the containment of the resulting spill and fire was effective. The results could have been much worse if the tank car had rolled over, or if more hazardous products had been involved.”

The Mayor asks for a senior CN official  to present to Council a plan on the immediate measures CN proposes to “mitigate the potential for future events of this nature and to address risks that hazardous cargo may pose for our community and its citizens.”

CN has pegged the collision and derailment on "human error."  The Transportation Safety Board meantime is  doing its own investigation into the incident.  The Mayor says human error or not,  he wants assurances "We have to know what else can be done to ensure this kind of thing doesn't happen again, 'cause human  error can  happen at any time,  whether its more training, different training,who knows what the answer is to that, but I think this an opportune time for a Senior  level person with CN to explain to us what they are going to do to reduce the possibility of human error."

Councilor Brian Skakun had submitted a notice of motion asking for such a letter, but he asked that it be sent not only to CN representatives   but to senior governments as well. Skakun’s notice also asked for a post incident review to see how the matter had been handled in an effort to possibly improve measures. The letter mailed out  by the Mayor  had copies sent to CN’s two communications representatives for the western operations. 

The Transportation Safety Board  is conducting a Class 3 investigation on the incident which  involved the collision of two trains,  a derailment, and a fire that  burned for nearly 12 hours as a tanker filled with gasoline  burned.

Transport Canada has already issued 5 orders to CN  which the railway says have already been implemented.

    


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They will probably tell you anything you want to hear Colin, but have no intention of meaning any of it.
I don't trust them.
I agree with Gofaster.
Is November, 2007, an election year for Prince George mayor and council?
Next election is November 2008.
I'm afraid your a little too late Colin. Should have listened when the people spoke at council, now your friends have been revealed for who they really are. Our safety was gambled with and we are all the losers.
"Next election is November 2008."

It will neatly coincide with the long-awaited re-construction of the Cameron Street Bridge - which will provide a lively photo-op background for the incumbent who is running for re-election.

As planned. Predictable. Predicted.
Much too mild a response from City Council.

Citizens who live adjacent to the CN (within 100') actually made a visit to the Mayor when CN started switching by the Water Pumping Station off Carney. CN installed three tracks for that purpose. Colin's response was one phone call to CN. That was three years ago.

Couple the increased CN presence within the heart of the City along with the proposed Cameron Street Bridge and we have hazardous goods travelling via rail and road through the heart of the City.

Very shortsighted policy for the citizens and safety of Prince George. 2008 may well be too late for change. What a sad state of affairs.
Lets not forget that Colin was the only elected official that supported the sale of BC Rail to CN and now he sends them love letters.

Cheers
Do remotely controlled trains have more collisions than the ones who actually have a human being in the lead engine and a hand on the throttle or on the brake?

Just wondering...kind of scary, weird.
Now Now everyone take it easy on Colin, he was only waiting to hear what Gordo wanted him to say.
Some of you people should remember that although CN bought BC Rail they also took all the BC Rail Employees. Does anyone know who was actually working on these trains. Were they BC Rail Employees, or CN Employees, not that it makes a big difference, however if it was human error, then it matters little whether it was CN or BC Rail.

Trying to imply that the accident wouldnt have happened if CN had not bought BC Rail is a bit of a stretch. We know that had the employees abided by the switching rules, this accident would have been avoided. In essence they were pushing too many cars, with too little braking power.

Thats my take on it. To find out for sure we will have to wait for the reports to come in. In any event I suppose if the CP Rail had bought BC Rail and had an accident, then it would be CP Rails fault, or the BN Railway fault, but never of course the BC Rails fault.

The sale of BC Rail is now old news, and its time to move on.

Diplomat. There is no remote controlled trains. All trains that pass through Prince George have an Engineer and a Conductor in the Engine. The terminology used referring to this derailment and others as trains is incorrect. These are in fact switching operations, and most switching operations these days are being done by remote control and two (2) switchmen per crew. I couldnt say if there are more or less accidents because of remote control switching.

I suspect that the cars that were heading South could have been a train, or it could have been a transfer from the pulp mills to the BC Rail South Yard. In either event there should have been two employees in the engine. The cars that were being pushed from the south yard northward were being handled by remote control, and the operator lost control, due to brake failure, or whatever, and therefore a serious accident occured.

The switching operations have now been restricted to 48 rail cars or less, however I am sure that this restriction does not apply to trains, so do not be suprised to see a 150 car train either arriving from the North, or departing from the South to go East on CN lines. These trains will travel over the same track that the derailment occurred on.

In other words there is a significant difference between switching rail cars in a terminal. And arriving and departing freight trains in a terminal.
If it smells like a duck, if it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck.... The B.C. Liberals sold our property to an unsafe railroad and we are now paying the price. To bury one's head in the sand and say "it is sold move on" is to invite continued theft and endangerment of the people of B.C. To refuse to look at the reality is illogical. The fact is dangerous crashes were no where near as frequent as they are now. If you want to bury your head, go ahead, while we continue to discuss and act upon the issues that impact the citizens of B.C.
Cars being shunted in a yard often do not have their airbrakes hooked up. They depend on the engine brakes for stopping power. This is usual and it usually works.
Cars on a track that is sloped will take longer to stop going downhill and the experienced train crews have a feel for how much they can carry, because they plan to stop in a shorter distance than they must and they move the trains slowly until they develop this "feel."
Trains on the mainline have to have their airbrakes working.
With steel wheels on steel rails trains cannot brake nearly as quickly as automobiles.
For lengthy trains on the mainline the in-train forces are more complicated and difficult, especially around tight curves.
Diplomat. Remote-controlled movements are safer if they have eyes on the movement at the end in the direction of travel, or on the ground where that end can be seen.
I believe Transport Canada has just made this mandatory.
There probably have been more "dings" when that business end was out of sight.
On nearly all remotely-controlled jobs there are two people, working at each end of the train, and either one can stop the movement.
Pardon... at each end of the movement, Palopu is correct, it's not called a train.
Women drivers! Don't skid the brakes, especially at the head of a snake. That would be like using just the steering axle for brakes on a B-train or dog logger.
The original story stated that fortunately nobody was hurt as *there was nobody on the engines, the trains were being remotely controlled.*

To a non railroad person like me it appeared that this was a stroke of good luck because someone could have drowned in the river or died in the fiery wreck of the engine had it been occupied.

Thanks for the additional information!

:)-

"The sale of BC Rail is now old news, and its time to move on."

Yes, even James said this (I believe) when she was asked if an NDP government would undo/reverse the sale and she said it wouldn't.
My point in not "what if" BC rail had not been sold my point is who does Colin "love". I guess the phrase "love letters " did not register in the mind of some.

But its not unusal for post's on this site to go off on a tangent because they can't accept the opinion of others. We get hundreds of words of irrelevent information that most of us can do in a couple of sentences and avoid the boring details.

And to quote a politician give me a break thats pure bull.

Cheers
"And to quote a politician give me a break thats pure bull."

I have never thought of Colin as anything else but a politician/mayor, with heavy emphasis on the first.
And he isn't very good at that either...
Pal, the train engines do not have anyone in them when they are controlled by remote control. If you notice the ones in the 1st avenue switching yard, the ones with flashing amber lights are being moved by remote control. Pretty scary for machines that large, but I guess we have airplanes that can land automatically also.