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Friendship Lodge Gets Green Light from Council

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Monday, December 03, 2007 07:44 PM

 

Councillors vote in favour of  changes to  allow construction of Friendship Lodge                 

Prince George City Council has approved the changes necessary to proceed with the construction of Friendship Lodge.

(at right, Architectural rendering of  Friendship Lodge)

Council voted in favour of the two recommendations presented by City Staff, the first called for a revision to the Official Community plan so it will read: “Portions of Queensway are also suitable for higher density multi-family”.  The second recommendation called for the rezoning of the property at Queensway and 17th to allow for non-profit housing.

The final vote was  6  in favour  and  three against. (click on video icon for  video of vote)

Here is how the Councillors voted, and  their comments:

Mayor Kinsley:  FOR  the OCP ammendment because he believes this will be an asset and will not take away from the neighbourhood as suggested. "The fears that often accompany any  kind of change are  often unfounded, and I beleive in my heart that will be the case here as well."

Councillor Murry KrauseFOR :  "I am not in a conflict of interest." "We have got to stop usimg emergemcy wards,  shelters and jails as a way of dealing with the homeless"  He says  residents  are expresing fear, but   says  research shows once such facilities are   operating,  there is no impact  on safety, or  on property values.  "The facility will be owned by BC Housing it will be attractive and landscaped. "  He says it will also be well run, pointing to the  positive aspects of the Native Friendship Centre’s  projects. 

Councilor Glenn Scott:  Against  "We’ve heard a lot  from the Miller Connaught  area,  it deserves to be saved not descimated " Scott says he went back  to the neighbourhood and says it  is one of the most attractive  neighbourhoods in the City. The concept is right, in my mind the location is wrong.We are elected by the citizens  to work on their behalf, we can’t loose site that we  have to listen to he citizens. " he pointed to the  petition of  hundreds of names opposing the  project as the voice he would listen to.

Councillor Don Zurowski:.  FOR  says many of the people who will live there  are the same folks who live in the basement suite next door.  "This is change, and  change can be positive. There is nothing we can do today to  alleviate the fears of the neghbourhood."  In my  view this is a soution not a silver bullet, it won’t solve it all, and there needs to more  of  this kind of work done."

Councillor Brian SkakunAGAINST  I do not support this application,I am  as compasionate  as anyone else,  but I do not support this project.  He  pointed to the  proposal for Baldy Hughes.   where  hookers won’t be plying their trade at their  front door  or crack sellers, selling drugs  on their doorstep. " This  neighbourhood has put up with way more than  it should have  to for the past  ten years.  I believe residents should have a say on how their neighbourhood  is  developed "

Councillor Shirley GrattonFOR  "This is the hardest decision I have had to make , and I will reluctantly  be supporting this project."

Councillor Deborah MunozFOR "Whenever possible  proponents should select a site which is already  appropriately zoned."  She says there is a demand for affordable housing, but there is no supply. "I will support this project on the basis that everyone deserves a good home."

Councillor Sherry Sethen:  AGAINST  While she believes the project is needed,  she desn’t believe enough  information has been  given.  She didn’t feel the  questions she had , had been answered.  "I do not believe this project, governed under the landlord tenant act is the way to look after the project."  

Councillor Don Bassermann:   FOR     "Socially there is  a need, socially there is a need to walk the talk."  Bassermann says  Councillors are elected to represent the citizens and that includes the disenfranchised.

Many of the residents who oppose the facility were on hand for the Council decision.  They are not surprised by Council’s approval as they had  argued from the very beginnning that , despite Mayor Kinsley’s statement to the contrary, they believed this was a done deal.

One resident remarked on his way out of Council Chambers "Why should we taxpayers expect anything from Council?  They never listen to us."

Joanne MacMillan, spokesman for the Millar/Connaught  Citizen’sCommittee says  the  Committee is  completely "disatisfied,  and in complete disagreement with Council. It shows they really don’t know the scope of the  whole project and did not have all the information."


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Someone has to have enough money to hire a lawyer. This kind of activist crap isn't about an investment, it is a decision to fry the neighbourhood. The city should be required to buy anyone out in the neighbourhood that was opposed or effected. That's why there are appropriation laws to compensate people when a neighbourhood is needed for another public use incompatible with the past and current use. The courts are what protect people from the government when any government gets too nasty and uncaring.

Get a lawyer. The city wants it, then they got to pay.
Councillor Deborah Munoz: FOR ..."I will support this project on the basis that everyone deserves a good home."..

Funny! Even if some of the good homes currently in the neighbourhood aren't as good afterward Deb is done.

Socialist always seem to be leveling the playing field until there is nothing left. I bet Deb likes the USSR era housing blocks, great places where everyone gets as good a home as the next guy. My wife's cousin and daughter live in one near Chernobyl. A real dump but politically correct.

Good decision guys. Thanks for having the courage to stand up to ignorance and those who lack the ability to have any compassion in their lives. When I wrote that we as a society produce those who need the services of such institutions as the backpacker I never expected so many post to support my idea as I saw from the usual individuals who lack even the most remote ability to show compassion. Thank you all for showing the exact ignorance that has allowed our society to degrade into the situation we are in today. Thanks for being you and sharing your outlook on life that so susinctly proves my point. Boy, am I fortunate that i had parents who could express love and create a soul that has the ability to want to advance our society. I could have had the old guy as a parent and been raised with nothing but hate in my heart.
I know who I am voting for in the next election. Thanks for making the decision easy for me. As easy as it was for the "FOR" voters to plunk this on our laps. Where does one go now when the problems begin? Our local police department? Maybe a local lawyer should be contacted to see where we stand if our property values decline suddenly. Don Z. states " many of the people who will live there are the same folks who live in the basement suite next door.a basement suite next door to the complex...ARE THEY HOMELESS! NO! "So did we get another off the streets?
Hey Realist

How kind are you? You seem to be a pretty big name caller. I am so not surprised by your comments...blah blah blah!
Oh yeah! The right decision was made. Thank you councillors.
People around their should stop paying there taxes...obviously this council don't give a damn what the people in that neighborhood think!
Cant wait till we vote these losers OUT!!!
It's odd. That neighbourhood also has the renegades outlaw motorcyle gang within their midst and I don't recall any outcry to them setting up shop. On one hand, you have an movement opposing an organization trying to help out homeless people who are not necessarily law breakers and no one to oppose a group that are one of the reasons why crime and drugs are so prevalent in Prince George.
I was downtown on Saturday, I couldn't believe how many empty or for lease buildings
where for sale down there...Why is that! oh I forgot maybe there moving to the new PG in college heights, funny hey.
A facility like this is needed but not at that location. Realist why don't you move in nest door.
REALIST move in next door?

No way! REALIST is too full of love and susinctability, and might loose it if one had to live there. HeeHee! Don't want REALIST to step on a needle on help look for some neighbour's kid.

No, compassion is best served from a high perch. Can't think sweet thoughts when one is scrapping dog crap off ones boot.
The City has just destroyed PG's Landmark by approving this application! Trust me, once this facility is in operation, you will see a decline in the neighbourhood. Who will be held accountable??? Some councillors continue to ignore the mistakes they have made in the downtown corridor - arrogance or just stupidity - you be the judge!


6 councillors including the Mayor voted in favor of this location.
Remember who they were at election time, because they just put the screws to an entire neighbourhood!
Good job city council!

Standing up and doing the right thing and obviously not the popular thing on here, was the right move.

The_grandinquisitor

"It's odd. That neighbourhood also has the renegades outlaw motorcyle gang within their midst and I don't recall any outcry to them setting up shop."

Well is this the comment of the month...how can anyone stop a person from buying a house in the neighbourhood? Did you see this come up in city council meetings? DUH! Maybe think before you write!
6 councillors including the mayor? Remember them at election time? It is to laugh. Those ninnies will get re-elected by the population who don't live in the Millar -Connaught area. If you recall the last election Mr.Indecisive and Chatty, aka Dan Rogers lost his bid to become mayor because of a lot of votes not forthcoming from the folks on the Hart. All the voters in this town have real short memories. Trust me on this. Name recognition is what it is all about, folks.
I for one have fond memories of growing up and going to the park to play, i would love my kids to have the same memories, but i dont think that will happen. Yes there are some that have worked hard to survive and are homeless, but then there are those who chose to make decisions which in the end was the cause for being homeless (ie - drugs, gambling, alchohol)People who make a living off the weak will surround that area to increase business, and those trying to get back on their feet will fall victim.Not only that, but it is owned by the native friendship center, so arent you going to have to be of native heritage to use it?
Although I strongly disagree with SOCIAL ENGINEERING, I also realize that a few taxpayers expressing opinions will not stop this particular juggernaut. Therefore I have to say: right idea, wrong location.
As someone else said, there are lots of vacant buildings downtown, presumably in non residential areas, but still 'close to the services they require' as some misguided supporter quipped, in support of the backpacker location. It is a landlord's wet dream to secure a long term lease from a government body (indian friendship centre) multiple years of not having to worry about the rent being paid every month, helluva deal, but no, the only location seems to be at 17th and Queensway. Hmm, who owns/owned the property i.e. who sold it to the city/ifc/gov't???? food for thought...
metalman.
Well Lionfish, I for one would have brought it up at a local council meeting had I lived in the Miller Addition at the time. Who wants a biker gang clubhouse in their neighbourhood? DO you? Or are you a resident or frequent visitor to the residence on Fir St.? At any rate, look to Nanaimo's situation and hope the same thing can happen here.
I would rather live close to the club house than some transit homeless shiftless bunch. The bikers don't seem to bring trouble to their own turf. Thanks Glenn Scott for voting against with the right reasons. I cannot wait for election time. We need a real mayor, not one who collects his income and doesn't do his job. Comfort zones are best when shaken. This outcome was so predictable. Hey REALIST, trade ya houses! Then we'll see...
This property was bought by the Provincial Government, who intended to build this facility for the homeless. They had to have the property rezoned by the City before the project could go ahead. The Provincial Government would have still gone ahead with the project if it was located in a different area. They would have then sold the property on 17th and Queensway.

Did the Mayor and Council try to find another location? No. Why not.?

The City owns the property on 6th Avenue across from Days Inn parking lot. This is the old CKPG building plus a couple of empty lots. This property is across the street from the present **Homeless Shelter** and would have been ideal for this venture. Some of the people presently in the homeless shelter could transition to the new facility.

Why wouldnt the City sell this property to the Prov Govt for this facility???

I suspect because:
(a) It is adjacent (kittycorner) to the new gaming centre.

(b) The property is being held to be sold to some greaseball developer.

(c) The City wants to move these people out of the downtown area, and therefore the Miller Addition is the dumping ground.

(d) These facilities are too close to City Hall, and it tarnishes their image.

Anyone who thinks that the Mayor and Council have these homeless peoples interests as their number one prioriy are living in a dream world.

When people talk about **Not in my backyard** it applies to City Council, Local Business, and others. In this case the people in the Millar Addition are getting the Royal Shaft with the full knowledge of the Mayor and Council. To think otherwise is foolish.

Did anyone notice that when 250 so called concerned Citizens showed up at a meeting in regards to the re-distribution of riding seats, it was considered a significant turn out and got all kinds of attention from Politicians, Mayor and Council.

The same thing applied when 250 people attended a meeting for the Performing Arts Centre. All kinds of support from Politicians, Mayor, Council, IPG, etc; They were given 170,000.00 to do a study etc;

When you get 500 signatures on a petition and a huge crowd at City Hall protesting the location of this facility, these people are ignored by the Mayor and Council. This should tell you that there is a double standard in this City and it stinks to high heaven.

We have the vested interest groups, politicans, developers, etc; feeding off the majority of the taxpayers and giving very little, or nothing in return.



I for one will be very involved in the next election. I can't believe how this Backpacker project was handled. It was like a dictatorship. Wether you were for it or against it you have to see how biast it was and the people that are going to be affected by it were not listened to. The charade the city put us through was sick. I hope this is not a done deal and I hope someone in the neighbourhood has enough money to hire a lawyer as I think there were three councilors that had a conflict of Intrest even though they do not think so. In court I think you could prove there was. How do you define between the conflict of interest on the Golf course and the Backpacker issue, no money changed hands on either one. But we wouldn't want to upset those golfers now would we. I would also like to thank Brian , Glen , and Sherry. It takes courage to go agaist the flow.
Palopu - you hit it right on!

I think Skakum should run for Mayor. He is the only Councillor that uses common sense, not only on this issue but on all issues brought forward to Council. He would get my vote!
The issue of homelessness and drug abuse is a major issue and one that I'm sure we can all agree on. I always was taught that drugs were illegal and now we hand out clean needles for them to use, what has happened to society? Justice? The solution is not putting together a haphazard 4 million dollar flop house (which in turn is going to cost $500,000/year for staffing, that doesn't even mention the everyday operating costs) that will cost all tax payers of Prince George, not just Millar Addition, although we will take the brunt of the social issues there. This is again an issue that all people of Prince George will feel the effects from. Now they announce construction to begin in March ... pardon me, but this sounds like it was the plan all along. Done deal: council was told to push it through and get it done.

I like how council members will remove themselves from voting in regards to a golf membership or compare this with a restaurant opening. Funny, but I would think perhaps coming up with a workable solution to the drug abuse and homeless problems would be a little more important that your golf game. There is no set plan of how this "lodge" is going to be operated and anyone who heard their presentation could see the flaws in the research and planning.

At least anyone with common sense.
Attention Grand....?

Or are you a resident or frequent visitor to the residence on Fir St.?

Your comment simply shows your ignorance! Think before you speak. I think you are trying to imply or state I am a drug user or some form of dirt? Who is judging who here? Comments like yours only go to show your lack of true compassion for people by using judging, nasty comments...
The issue of homelessness and drug abuse is a major issue and one that I'm sure we can all agree on. I always was taught that drugs were illegal and now we hand out clean needles for them to use, what has happened to society? Justice? The solution is not putting together a haphazard 4 million dollar flop house (which in turn is going to cost $500,000/year for staffing, that doesn't even mention the everyday operating costs) that will cost all tax payers of Prince George, not just Millar Addition, although we will take the brunt of the social issues there. This is again an issue that all people of Prince George will feel the effects from. Now they announce construction to begin in March ... pardon me, but this sounds like it was the plan all along. Done deal: council was told to push it through and get it done.

I like how council members will remove themselves from voting in regards to a golf membership or compare this with a restaurant opening. Funny, but I would think perhaps coming up with a workable solution to the drug abuse and homeless problems would be a little more important that your golf game. There is no set plan of how this "lodge" is going to be operated and anyone who heard their presentation could see the flaws in the research and planning.

At least anyone with common sense.

JUSTSAYNO - DITTO!

The cream rises to the top. Can't wait for election 2008. Must be lonely for Skakun, Scott and Sethen these days. Big Daddy ain't pleased with all his chillun!
Lionfish, your quite fiesty. You must live on Ingledew st.
The_grandinquisitor

NOPE, wrong street guess again! Do you need to know so you can come for a visit? Is this a form of a treat to make me feel scared? Not working!

The whole mess is sick and scarey and it will be all around children. What is it really about ? Cleaning up the downtown ? Shortage of space for the winter games? How many of these so called Homeless are from Prince George ?? Are we the taxpayers going to be paying for the Homeless from all over the province?? We don't even have a Cancer Clinic but we are getting one some time. Everyone deserves a home so will they be adding on to this Complex to house all these new people with who knows what from who knows where? Build it and they will come.