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Want To Stop Nechako Flooding, Better Start At Confluence With Fraser

By Ben Meisner

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 03:46 AM

        

I am no Hydrologist, nor an Engineer in any degree, my comments on the flooding of the Nechako come from living on the Nechako for 31 years watching the ice come and go and the river rise and fall.

I also can say that I have driven the length and breadth of the Nechako River many times  from its confluence of the Fraser to the Stewart and from there on up through Takla Lake and the Driftwood River, some 400 kilometers from here.

I also can say that I have driven the Nechako River from Prince George to Cheslatta falls many times.

I have made these trips in time of flood and in times of drought. Anyone that knows me understands my deep passion for this river.

I have watched frazzle ice forming to the bottom of the river as winter approaches, and I have watched the groaning sounds of the river as it gives way to spring and the ice breaks way.

I also can say that I traveled from the Nechako into the Fraser more times that I can recall. Many of you who read this item will remember when I may have pulled you off a sand bar in that section of the river.

I say that section because if you have an understanding of the confluence of the Nechako and the Fraser you will understand that the sediment that comes downstream from the Nechako meets the Fraser settles there. I am sure that it has been happening fro hundreds of years and that is why I believe that a series of dikes along the Nechako within the city will have only a limited hope of success.

Every single year, the Nechako lattices out at the confluence of the Fraser, it has been doing this for centuries. The result is that there are always six or seven channels leading into the Fraser come fall or early spring. These channels are usually between 6 inches and 14 inches deep and criss cross the Fraser flats heading to the main channel of the Fraser.

Twenty years ago , The Pickering’s were taking gravel from the confluence and the result was generally there was a channel built every year that allowed the spring freshet to make its way to the Fraser. That has all changed and the build up has continued.

There is one channel that has remained fairly constant along the north bank of the Nechako that heads into the Fraser basically upstream of the confluence. It is narrow but it has been deep. It is unfortunately not large enough to take the ice and water flow we have experienced If you look at the flood pictures you will see that this channel was the one that opened up to allow part of the jam to move towards the Fraser.

So what will happen, well we will construct a series of dikes that will hold the water in them to what height. Remember of course that if a jam occurs in this element that water will back up flooding the areas upstream on the Nechako or it will find its way under the gravel and reappear as ground water somewhere else.

If we don’t find away to dredge the Nechako in such a fashion that we have a stream bed that the ice can follow, we are doomed to failure. It is only matter of time before an ice jam will spill its banks into the community being unable to have that water reach the Fraser. Dikes may be a stop gap measure but unless serious attention is given to the huge flat sitting at the mouth of the Nechako it will be only a matter of time.

 I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion.


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Makes sense to me. It could change the look of the river in the process, but it makes sense if one wants to stop the potential for ice back-up. That river moves a lot of sand each year, so I guess one would have to ask how long would the solution last for, and then do a cost/benefit analysis.

The other option is to do nothing until its catastrophic, and then use that as an opportunity to build with a clean slate. Or just line the bull dozers up and clear a path for the river where we think it will go?
You could not be more right, Ben.

I'd bet that the confluence was also dredged at the time of paddlewheel traffic in the early 1900's ---- prbably up to the dock at The Cache.

Yes,seems to me the diking will move the flooding upstream in times of flood if it's caused by damming.

Surely dredging can be done with minimal affect on the fish if someone has the sense to consider it.
"SENSE TO CONSIDER IT" HEY RUFUS, WE ARE DEALING WITH BUREAUCRATES HERE. GOT TO DO A STUDY AND THEN AN ASSESSMENT. BY THE TIME THAT IS FINISHED WE WILL BE INTO THE NEXT ICE AGE. THE CITY SHOULD DREDGE THE RIVER AND USE THE GRAVEL FOR FILL OR WHATEVER. USED TO HAPPEN YEARS AGO TILL SOMEONE DECIDED THAT IT WAS NOT ENVIRONMENTALY FRIENDLY. I THINK THAT THEORY COULD BE CHALLANGED. LETS GET BACK TO9 BASICS FOLKS.
Ben! Your local knowledge is worth more then some of these experts paper degree which is on their wall down in vancouver. Its time our society started drawing knowledge from the people who actually know what is going on. But in the mean time the people with local knowledge will have to sit back and watch the circus that unfolds in front of us every day. Cheers!
I agree with the dredging. It is probably done at the mouth of every river in the world that is located in an urban area.

Any engineer that who does not have a desing which includes a failsafe system is simply not doing his or her work. I will say this, the enigneers whio are up here are not here to design a system and put their stamp of approval on it along with the liability coverage which goes with it.

I think Ben is right on the money. The first part of the system is to try to reduce the frequency and seriousness of ice jams. Dredging would be a part of that as could be other measures.

The second level of defense is to raise the bank with dikes in case the first method fails. The third is to have a plan with people and equipment ready to go should the dikes be breached.

Any less than that is half baked.

The dredge the fraser down in Vancouver regularly to reduce flooding and for ship passage.
northman - good idea, though Hell's Gate may cause some problems for the cruise ships on their way upstream to the new terminal at Prince George.

;-)
northman - good idea, though Hell's Gate may cause some problems for the cruise ships on their way upstream to the new terminal at Prince George.

;-)
Opps i forgot to spell check/edit. What i meant to say is.. They already dredge the lower part of the fraser in vancouver for ship passage and flooding. Im would like to know why they can get away with it down there and not here?
"Hell's Gate may cause some problems for the cruise ships"

Not if you asked those who built the likes of the suez and panama canals.

;-)
They can do it, it just takes the political will to get it started.
As Ben has stated, the water in that area is very shallow by late summer, and that would be an ideal time to get out there with a couple of large excavators, build a temporary diversion dike on the Nechako river bed, and proceed to excavate a good deep, wide channel well out into the Fraser River.
It would seem to me that if the water velocity is kept fairly high (ie: relatively narrow channel) that it would not silt up, at least until it hits the wide, slow Fraser. Dunno, seems simple to this simpleton. Don't want to sink a $450,000.00 excavator in the Fraser silt though.
metalman.

I agree with you 100% Ben. Hopefully we can have some Politician (Civil Servant) with some authority and responsibility step forward and get a plan (and money) in place to start this project.

Perhaps the well heeled Northern Initiative Trust,would want to spend some money to get it started.

If we could get the same motely crew who managed to get $33 Million for a dubious Airport Runway Expansion, imagine how much money they could get for a Boni Fide, project, that would save millions in property damage, and create jobs at the same time.

This City and the Regional District, along with the Provincial Government have been looking for projects to spend beetle money on. Well now they have one.

Lets see if they can rise to the occasion.
http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=109085&Itemid=159#jc_allComments

Anders dismissed dredging once winter is over to prevent future ice jams. The possibility was discussed but the real problem is the Fraser freezing before the Nechako causing ice to back up along the river, he said.

"It's not as if the Nechako ice is grounding out on those gravel bars without there being an ice cover on the Fraser," he said. "Dredging that gravel out, I don't think is going to give you much of a bang for the buck."

Ben, are you an engineer? Do you have a degree in river channeling? How about an ice jam specialist? Flood Management Control experience?

Sorry Ben, Common sense is not on the list. Experience is a sorry second, behind common sense, so is also over looked.

Maybe we should form another committee to study the Experts to see why they can't figure out a common sense solution or have experience in these types of situations. Chester
Ben, of course mother nature assuming her rightful path has nothing to do with this in your eyes does it.

Good points, Chester. Ben is no engineer; he is simply an armchair critic.