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No Harm In Asking Questions

By Ben Meisner

Wednesday, October 19, 2005 03:57 AM

Monday’s Council meeting saw the passage of by law no. 7746, giving the city authority to borrow $9,300,000.00 dollars to construct a community energy system. 

At that meeting, Councilor Don Basserman chastised Councilor Brain Skakun for asking to have a report on the expenditure. 
Skakun asked  two things: 1. a full report on what is planned in this project 
and 2. what the effect would be on the city's total loan structure. 

Basserman said "We have been discussing this for six years, there has been ample opportunity to get those answers; I get frustrated when people want to play politics." Mayor Colin Kinsley told Skakun that by now, he should know everything about the proposal. 
The fact that only two people had signed a counter petition ,said the Mayor ,should tell Skakun that people are not opposed to the idea. 

Well let’s start there. 

People don’t sign counter petitions anymore. Plain and simple... Why?  Let me take you back for my best recollection of events in the Terasen gas deal. 
A counter petition was filed , first the city argued that the people who took the signatures couldn’t legally do it , that was tossed out, they then said they needed to verify those signatures, finally they admitted that they would have to take the by law to a vote. 

Now we were told that the city would take a neutral stance on the issue, they wouldn’t become involved. Now at that point they had already spent about $400,000.00 trying to sell us the idea. When they did polls during the run up to the vote, they discovered they were about to lose again, and so they began an advertising campaign. So much for the city will take a neutral position. 

Total cost of the pitch, now over $600,000.00. 

But wait, while the city was saying to you and I "we want you to support this by law" , did they offer any money to those people who did not want it passed? There were more than 4000 people who singed the original petition.  Did they get taxpayers dollars (like the City did) to allow them to have their say?Short answer, no.

So those people who opposed the deal were subsidizing a vote being held to sell them on an idea that they didn’t want. Did the city offer money to those who opposed so they could tell their side of the story, not one single dime. 

So if you have been wondering why people are a bit jaded when it comes to counter petitions, look no further. 

Why bother going to the trouble to organize a petition knowing full well, you as a taxpayer will be spending more money down the road to sell yourself on an idea that you don’t want... Correct city hall? 

Councilor Skakun also asked  the balance on the city's "credit card".  City administration didn’t know, they'll get back to him. 

Pardon me, shouldn’t you know what you've  got left on the card and what effect what you’re about to spend will have on that credit line? 

Now as to the federal government coming to the party by putting money up for the Energy distribution system as is suggested, Read by law #7746.  There is absolutley no mention  that the project will only go ahead if the feds kick in some money. 

Is this another example of tick tack toe? 

I try and keep myself abreast of what goes on at city hall and quite frankly I don’t know about the deal, what can we expect of other people? 

Now as to the argument "well the deal is done get on with life", rubbish!

Council must stand on its recordfor not just the good, but for the whole pictures, for example: why Mayor Kinsley supported the sale of BCRail.

What you have accomplished in the past always forms part of your resume long before what you say you’ll do in the future. 

I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s opinion. 



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Skakun gets my vote, Basserman does not. He actually said he gets frustrated when people play politics? At a council meeting? WOW! Sorry I missed that one. I like the way Skakun questions things, he is an honest person with an honest way of thinking.
Thanks Ben now we know what its all about. I had never herd of a commuity energy system until the talk of a money bylaw came up at the last council meeting. So long Basserman.
Well said Ben. Out with the old, in with the new come November.
Your certainly right in regards to how they handle counter petitions. I am against this Energy Plan as it presently stands, however at this time not willing to go through the B.S. we went through with the Terasan thing. Did you know that Terasan buys their gas from CEG Energy Options Inc. which is owned by Seminole Canada Gas Co., witch is a wholly owned subisdiary of SemGroup L.P. of Tulsa Oklahoma, another U.S. Conglomerate like Kinder Morgan.?? Is there any connection between SemGroup L.P. and Kinder Morgan??? Who knows???
I'm appalled that the majority of our current city councillors would consider it ok to borrow 27 million dollars without first doing a comprehensive social, financial and environmental impact study on the various projects proposed. It was not until as late as Monday night that the public first became aware of plans to locate the proposed wood-waste burning co-generation plant in the bowl without first seeking input from the public or residents living in that area, in fact, we do not know how this project will negatively impact our existing concerns with poor air quality.If concerns around how and what huge amounts of tax-payers money is being spent is not a political issue then what is? Accountabiliy is absent in this local government and a change in council is needed. Five years of planning for these projects and still no one on council or from administration was able to answer basic questions on the impact borrowing 27 million will have on our commercial tax base, the City's credit and borrowing status or overall impact these projects will have on the community. New thinking is needed!
"Co-generation plant" sounds like a pretty fancy word.I would assume that engineers and scientists create these things,people that are a hell of a lot smarter than you and I.One of the biggest problems I see is everyone wants to hire consultants and do studies and basically cover their stupid ass so that if something goes wrong they can point their useless finger somewhere else.I want leadership and someone that is willing to take make a decision and be prepared to live with the heat if it goes wrong.
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Skakuns got my vote.

I think its important to ask these kinds of questions. I also think it should have been important to have all the answers in the public domain before any vote in council ever takes place.

I will definitely not be voting for Colin Kinsley of Don Basserman. They are a large part of the problem.

My vote so far would go to:

Brian Skakun - Asks good questions, and has good intentions, although (Hockey Enforcers stuff looked bad).

Erle Martz - Another good question asker looking out for the small business type guy.

Dr. Travis Morgan - Doctors are good to have on council I'm sure and he's the only Dr?

Don Zurowski - Seems to have some leadership qualities that could be usefull for council.

Murry Krause - It seems he has a good sense of mind.

(As I disclaimer I do not know for sure each of their past voting records.)
(not be voting for Colin Kinsley OR Don Basserman.)
I think many of those who are interested in what goes on in this city know something about a district heating proposal. But I bet that one gets as many answers to what people think is being referred to as the number of people one asks.

Why? Simply because there is no single piece of publicly available information which tells the story.

Skakun was bang on!

Basserman showed his true colours of not really doing his homework and shooting from the hip with pistols that had blanks. They still made noise, and, sad to say, noise rather than substance, still impresses a lot of people.

For anyone who may need a quick primer on cogeneration and its association with district heating, here are two links.

http://www.nrbp.org/papers/018.pdf

http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/techline/wood_biomass_for_energy.pdf

My main concern is the amount of particulates which would be produced not only in the bowl, but immediately adjacent to the Miller subdivision if it is located in the old City Works Yard.

Colin spoke about a closed loop system at the Council meeting. I am unaware of a system which collects all particulates and has no emissions into the air. But I stand to be corrected on that.

We also do not know whether this is intended to be a steam or gassification system.

On the assumption that there will be some low level emissions into the air, UNBC would be a much better candidate to utilize such technology, not only for its buildings, but also the reasearch park which will hopefully be built there some day. Just think, if the energy is cheap enough, the cost of the space should be more competitive.

Borrowing without a business plan and a technical study .... do we know of any banks that would lend money on that little information? Why should our city fathers be less concerned about their fiduciary responsibilities to the citizens?
Well, I don't know where I have been, but the recent announcement for a community energy system is the first I have heard of it. So, thank you to Mr. Skakun for asking a few more questions for those of us who need a little more info.

I would also like the opportunity to have a vote on borrowing another $9 million. Seems to me that every homeowner and property taxpayer should be the ones involved in this decision. They are the real stakeholders in financing our future. I'm not so sure that I'm quite ready to take on more debt until I know that the benefits will outweigh the cost and how long will that take to happen? Chester
To go even deeper into this massive expenditure, and before I even know what it is really all about. My question is..."Who stands to benefit financially from all of this???"