That is good news!

It's funny how UNBC always releases their bad news on Friday afternoons (:->

Oh well, Jago got UNBC into their mess and now he can have the opportunity to dig them out.

This is not good news at all. Jago has no vision or ideas, and it was he who was in charge while the financial problems that Cozzetto had to deal with mounted up. I can see why the Board appointed him, given Rix's statement that they wanted someone who knew how to talk to government, but I have grave doubts as to whether that is the most important criterion. It's too bad they couldn't get Gordon Pedersen.

Strange the budget issues were the same with Jago, the staff was much happier ( there actually was a stuff versus right now where the majority have left ). Overall I would have Dr. Jago over the past two years with Cozzetto. He didn't get UNBC out of any financial problems, if anything into even more.

Jago has so much vision that it must be so out there the average person doesn't see it.

Oops. I meant George Pedersen, not Gordon.

A two headed presidency ..... interesting.

He did it .. no he did it ..... no they did it ....

It's a rash appointment born out of a desperate situation. But it buys the Board a year where they can put the Cozzetto disaster behind them. And Jago can use the financial windfall to pad out his pension.

If the staff seemed happier during the Jago years, it was because Jago had already cleaned house and installed his own legion of sycophants.

As the idiom goes: "better the devil you know than the devil you don't."

As the idiom goes: "better the devil you know than the devil you don't."

I agree with caniche

So ..... not to belabour the point, but should either one of the two parties (Jago and Board) decide to call it quits by say the beginning of December, will Jago get paid out the rest of his contract?

:-)

This is a joke.

Pretty easy to comment from the cheap seats. Jago didn't leave with a package the first time so what makes you think he will have a package this time. I think Jago did an awesome job. Nice to have some stability and credibility back at the U!

Bad move. Another F for the performance of the board.

attitude ... How much did Jago get when he left?

As far as his current contract goes, what is included in it attitude? Short term contracts are typically more per unit than long term contracts.

He has to make adjustements to his current situation. It means he may have loss of opportunity which he may not be able to cash in on when he is no longer needed at UNBC.

So, is it a monthly contract, to be extended on a monthly basis for a maximum of one year? A quarterly period? Half year?

If it is a one year contract, and he leaves earlier, does he get paid out the full year? Does he get prorated pay? An extra month? 50% of the remaining period?

Do you know attitude? I don't. That is why I made the comment I did.

BTW, I think I paid as much for my seat here as you did and everyone else did. Can you explain why your comment would weigh more than the others on here?

Well, at the very least they did not have to pay an outrageous sum to hire a headhunter to look for an interim president as Jago was in the city and known to the board.

Given that Jago simply ended his term as president and retired after leaving the presidency, there would not have been any golden handshake when he retired two years ago.

As for Jago installing "his own legion of sycophants," that is not quite accurate. The president does have a direct say in the hiring of some personnel, but most hirings are not done by him. Committees comprising faculty members are the ones that will interview candidates for faculty positions. The administration does not hire faculty directly, but they do have a right to veto a committee's choice.

"Given that Jago simply ended his term as president and retired after leaving the presidency, there would not have been any golden handshake when he retired two years ago."

And you know this how? There are early retirement packages, you know. Given some of the things which are coming out, such as the reports about favouritism, etc. I am not all that sure he was not "encouraged" to allow someone else to tale the helm.

For instance, i would assume thast he was a tenured professor the same a Cozzetto. I do not know whether he is still a professor at UNBC or whether he gave that up and, if he di, whehter he was paid to do that in the same fashion as Cozzetto.

To bad we know so little about a public facility. Typically such information is accessible.

As for Jago installing "his own legion of sycophants," that is not quite accurate. The president does have a direct say in the hiring of some personnel, but most hirings are not done by him. Committees comprising faculty members are the ones that will interview candidates for faculty positions. The administration does not hire faculty directly, but they do have a right to veto a committee's choice.


The reference is presumably to administrators, not regular faculty. The President has a great deal of power over appointments of administrators.

I can't imagine what makes attitude think that Jago is any better than Cozzetto. Cozzetto is unpopular with many people because of the cuts he made. He wasn't responsible for the financial situation that brought that about: that was caused by Jago and the Board and the province. Is there any reason to believe that given the same financial situation Jago would have done any better?

As for credibility, I don't know enough about Cozzetto to have an opinion but I don't recall even his detractors accusing him of dishonesty. On the other hand, I know what Jago is like and don't consider him at all credible.

Chucky movie - "I'm baaack!" (scream - shriek - thud!)

Too funny!!

My original comment: "Given that Jago simply ended his term as president and retired after leaving the presidency, there would not have been any golden handshake when he retired two years ago."

Owl's reply: "And you know this how? There are early retirement packages, you know. Given some of the things which are coming out, such as the reports about favouritism, etc. I am not all that sure he was not "encouraged" to allow someone else to tale the helm."

My answer: How do I know this? Well, let's say that I know the place quite well on a daily basis. I do not think that it is a state secret that Jago is older than 65. Early retirement is given to those who are younger than 65 as an incentive to retire early. You do not give them to those who have already reached the age of 65.

I wrote: "As for Jago installing "his own legion of sycophants," that is not quite accurate. The president does have a direct say in the hiring of some personnel, but most hirings are not done by him. Committees comprising faculty members are the ones that will interview candidates for faculty positions. The administration does not hire faculty directly, but they do have a right to veto a committee's choice.


Billposer replied: "The reference is presumably to administrators, not regular faculty. The President has a great deal of power over appointments of administrators."

My answer: I replied to a poster who wrote: "If the staff seemed happier during the Jago years, it was because Jago had already cleaned house and installed his own legion of sycophants." I agree that a university president has a great deal of power when it comes to choosing administrators, but I was replying to a statement concerning staff (presumably including faculty) and not administrators.

I wrote: "As for Jago installing "his own legion of sycophants," that is not quite accurate. The president does have a direct say in the hiring of some personnel, but most hirings are not done by him. Committees comprising faculty members are the ones that will interview candidates for faculty positions. The administration does not hire faculty directly, but they do have a right to veto a committee's choice.


Billposer replied: "The reference is presumably to administrators, not regular faculty. The President has a great deal of power over appointments of administrators."

My answer: I replied to a poster who wrote: "If the staff seemed happier during the Jago years, it was because Jago had already cleaned house and installed his own legion of sycophants." I agree that a university president has a great deal of power when it comes to choosing administrators, but I was replying to a statement concerning staff (presumably including faculty) and not administrators.

I wrote: "As for Jago installing "his own legion of sycophants," that is not quite accurate. The president does have a direct say in the hiring of some personnel, but most hirings are not done by him. Committees comprising faculty members are the ones that will interview candidates for faculty positions. The administration does not hire faculty directly, but they do have a right to veto a committee's choice.


Billposer replied: "The reference is presumably to administrators, not regular faculty. The President has a great deal of power over appointments of administrators."

My answer: I replied to a poster who wrote: "If the staff seemed happier during the Jago years, it was because Jago had already cleaned house and installed his own legion of sycophants." I agree that a university president has a great deal of power when it comes to choosing administrators, but I was replying to a statement concerning staff (presumably including faculty) and not administrators.

My apologies. For some reason, my posts get posted twice.

Age???? I had never considered age to be a factor any longer since I am under the impression 65 is not longer considered to be a required retirement age .... 65 is no longer retirement age legally. So, retirement is more or less when you wish that to be or you get kicked out ....

I gather you really do not know what his cheque or other agreements looked like when he left.

Well, now you don't have to retire at 65, but it is not quite as simple as simply staying as long as you want. You can be renewed for a set amount of years and then your contract has to be renewed every so often.

No, I don't know what cheque he got when he left, but administrators are given a specific term (usually 5 years) that can be renewed. Once they finish their term, if they stay at the university, they continue on as faculty members at the appropriate rank (full professor) and get paid accordingly.

One can look for conspiracies, but sometimes they are none to be found.

inadaze .... just to give you an example of the types of considerations that can be in a contract for a University President ...

This one is $400,000 per year plus $100,000 per annum deferred to the 5 year term if he meets performance objectives ...

So, if he leaves after 5 years, in addition to other little deals, he will get $500,000 if he meets objectives ....

So, I ask one more time, does anyone know what deals were in Jago's contract and what he received when he left?

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/story/1ed59eeae28d990a8625746100144e47?opendocument

BTW, don't think that all U prezs get that level of compensation, there are many that are less than $200,000 and many that are over the half million+ that fellow can make ... obviously depends on size, public, private and endowments the U has.

Inadaze,

"staff" may be used in an all inclusive sense, as opposed to students. The narrow sense excludes faculty. Anyhow, since "staff" in the broad sense includes both faculty and administrators, the reference to Jago installing his sycophants might have referred only or primarily to administrators.

Actually, one other factor to consider is that at least in the earlier years at UNBC the faculty promotion process was not the usual one, in part because many departments were very small. Each faculty had a promotions committee, chaired by the Dean, to which, for each candidate, a couple of other faculty were added,in a role more like that of consultants than full committee members. The administration therefore had more influence, at an earlier level, than is usual.

The hiring system was also not the usual one in the early days, again due to the small size (initially zero) of the departments. There was an ad hoc hiring committee for each position, which often (always?) included the VP and the Dean. I'm not sure how long this continued after the university was in operation since there was a freeze and few people were hired, but as long as this system continued, the administration more than the usual involvement.

The one thing that strikes me as odd about Cozzetto's severance is the separate sum for resigning his faculty position. I don't think I've ever heard of that.

Billposer wrote: "There was an ad hoc hiring committee for each position, which often (always?) included the VP and the Dean."

That hasn't existed for at least a decade at UNBC, and during Jago's tenure as president. Most of the current faculty at UNBC would have been hired in the last decade. Normal process for hiring faculty at most universities (including UNBC): a selection committee including faculty members from a given program/department and an external faculty member from another program/department. They make a short list of people that will be interviewed, they choose a candidate and they submit that candidate to the administration for final approval. The administration wouldn't have a direct say in who gets interviewed and who the selection committee proposes, but would have in theory a right of veto if ever they did not like the candidate that was put forward. In practice, the administration would rarely reject a candidate put forward by the selection committee, but it could happen and it probably does from time to time.

Owl wrote: "just to give you an example of the types of considerations that can be in a contract for a University President ...

This one is $400,000 per year plus $100,000 per annum deferred to the 5 year term if he meets performance objectives ...

So, if he leaves after 5 years, in addition to other little deals, he will get $500,000 if he meets objectives ...."

My response: Owl, you are citing an American university and the salary paid to a president at an American university. They tend to do things differently than in Canada.

Owl, if you do want to know how much university presidents are paid in Canada, you can visit this site: http://preview.tinyurl.com/5pevxh. It is from Macleans and provides the salaries paid to university presidents (including benefits) in Ontario (go to second page of the online article).